Questions for high school coaches?

default · Feb 26, 2010

With the try-out season getting ready to begin:

How many of you before try-outs have actually predetermined your rosters for Varsity/JV?

How many of you are open minded during actual try-outs and or go by a point system to pick/place your players on your teams?

How many of you go by stats/performance from the previous year to choose your roster?

How many of you would cut seniors if you find underclassmen with more talent for your varsity squad?
What do you do if you find someone has improved in their play so much from the previous year (under or upperclassmen) that would take away a spot from someone that you had planned to be on your varsity squad?

How many of you can say that your varsity team is actually filled with the best players from all your teams?

*HOW MANY WILL BE HONEST IN ANSWERING THESE QUESTIONS?:lmao:

default · Feb 26, 2010

WOW! Loaded questions........

I would love to hear/see some HS Coaches respond, as I believe there are some on all sides of this.

In reality though IT's THEIR TEAM AND THEY ARE ENTITLED TO MANAGE IT HOW THEY BEST SEE IT. We parents love finding items to complain about as a Coach will NEVER make everybody happy.

default · Feb 26, 2010

commonsense said:
*how many will be honest in answering these questions?:lmao:

none 0%

default · Feb 26, 2010

commonsense said:
With the try-out season getting ready to begin:

How many of you before try-outs have actually predetermined your rosters for Varsity/JV?:

Good Idea who will be where but not predetermined. Been having "Open Gyms" for awhile now

commonsense said:
How many of you are open minded during actual try-outs and or go by a point system to pick/place your players on your teams?:

When and if we have tryouts all the girls are evaluated by at least three of the coaches using some sort of point system.

commonsense said:
How many of you go by stats/performance from the previous year to choose your roster?:

Stats from last year are thrown out the door, it's attitude and work ethic and who is putting in the time in the off season.

commonsense said:
How many of you would cut seniors if you find underclassmen with more talent for your varsity squad? :

Not sure I would cut Seniors that have put alot of time and effort into the program the last 4 years just because some new blood comes in. If the Senior is beaten out for her position I will let her know of her role on the team, and if she is fine with it we move on, if not and I think they will be a cancer to the team I will let them go.

commonsense said:
What do you do if you find someone has improved in their play so much from the previous year (under or upperclassmen) that would take away a spot from someone that you had planned to be on your varsity squad?:

I hope for that every year. I put the best I got on the field.

commonsense said:
How many of you can say that your varsity team is actually filled with the best players from all your teams?:

They best play period!!

commonsense said:
HOW MANY WILL BE HONEST IN ANSWERING THESE QUESTIONS?:lmao:

If it's a good HS Coach...All of them!!!

default · Feb 26, 2010

I agree with everything Lady Knights said. Open gyms will only show you so much. A girl can look really good in open gym but what does she do when we actually get in the scrimmage outside on dirt when there is some pressure on her knowing she is fighting for a spot. I want to see mental toughness, desire, and passion to play.

The Best 9 on our team play, doesn't matter if its freshman or senior's, if I had the BS at my school and had to play the Political game, I would resign. That does nobody and good and is not fair to the girls or the program.

default · Feb 26, 2010

We follow everything that Lady_Knights posted, the one exception is seniors. Last couple of years we were honest with them. 1. Set the bench on the Varsity, or play on the JV. Most quit. Had one quit this year, because she knew from open gyms that we had some very good young players that were better than her. This is pretty common when you get kids coming out of travel ball that have been playing all year and then you have a senior who has not touched a softball since last season. Plus just because you started at Short Stop last year, doesn't mean you will start this year. We play the best player per position.

default · Feb 26, 2010

Aren't most of the HS coaches that are on OFC also involved with travel ball? Our HS coach is only collecting a check, jmho, he has never seen more than a HS game. I don't expect a single underclassman to make varsity, it could happen but it doesn't seem likely.

default · Feb 26, 2010

Lady Knights, i wish all h.s. schools run their programs like that, but unfortunately most of them dont. The antiquated ways of out dated coaching is very much alive and well. When they ever stop the practice of just giving the coaching jobs to unqualified people who wave a union card and give it to the better candidate, maybe it will change.

default · Feb 26, 2010

AMEN Hitter............you just nailed it........

default · Feb 26, 2010

We are Lucky. Our Head Coach coached for the Lasers a few years back. His dd now plays college softball . Myself and our pitching coach ( his dd pitched in college after high school) were or are active in travel ball.

default · Feb 26, 2010

HITTER23 said:
Lady Knights, i wish all h.s. schools run their programs like that, but unfortunately most of them dont. The antiquated ways of out dated coaching is very much alive and well. When they ever stop the practice of just giving the coaching jobs to unqualified people who wave a union card and give it to the better candidate, maybe it will change.

I must be spoiled and have a lot of talented HS coaches in my area. I do not see too many bad coaches.

default · Feb 26, 2010

Our high school school actually stated making cuts yesterday.?.?.? Not sure how/why he would already start telling girls they did not make it. Is this even something he can do before tryouts?

default · Feb 26, 2010

alittledifferent said:
I must be spoiled and have a lot of talented HS coaches in my area. I do not see too many bad coaches.

Yes, you are spoiled.

coachSDS said:
Our high school school actually stated making cuts yesterday.?.?.? Not sure how/why he would already start telling girls they did not make it. Is this even something he can do before tryouts?

wtf.

default · Feb 26, 2010

coachSDS said:
Our high school school actually stated making cuts yesterday.?.?.? Not sure how/why he would already start telling girls they did not make it. Is this even something he can do before tryouts?

Wow, your making cuts (before full practice even starts) and we are looking for more players.

default · Feb 26, 2010

FstPtchctchrdad said:
Pitchers & Catchers just started practice officially Monday. I am sure many HS were doing open gyms prior.
The ones being told they are cut already were they either a Pitcher / Cacther ?

No, none were pitchers or catchers. The coach told the players yesterday was the official first practice. He already told the girls he has 24 spots filled..... 12-JV & 12-Varsity. I'm not sure how many he told yesterday they didn't make the cut but I know of 3. I was told there were more though. I was pretty surprised when I found out, I mean tryouts haven't even started yet.... Hitter23 said it best.... WTF!!!!

default · Feb 26, 2010

coachSDS said:
No, none were pitchers or catchers. The coach told the players yesterday was the official first practice. He already told the girls he has 24 spots filled..... 12-JV & 12-Varsity. I'm not sure how many he told yesterday they didn't make the cut but I know of 3. I was told there were more though. I was pretty surprised when I found out, I mean tryouts haven't even started yet.... Hitter23 said it best.... WTF!!!!

Ouch - that really ****s - All based upon 3 days of Pitcher / Catcher practice. Sorry I am having ahrd time with this one.

Did the girls being cut have any Fastpitch experience at all......

default · Feb 26, 2010

coachSDS said:
No, none were pitchers or catchers. The coach told the players yesterday was the official first practice. He already told the girls he has 24 spots filled..... 12-JV & 12-Varsity. I'm not sure how many he told yesterday they didn't make the cut but I know of 3. I was told there were more though. I was pretty surprised when I found out, I mean tryouts haven't even started yet.... Hitter23 said it best.... WTF!!!!

Theres a open minded coach for ya. Let me guess, math teacher padding his check coaching "old school ". You cant do anything about it either, they are rulers of their little world.

My dd's had a teacher who took the coaching job who came into the first practice and asked the girls what position they played and proceeded to hand out sheets he downloaded off the internet on how to play the position like it was a test !!! Needless to say they ****ed that year.

default · Feb 26, 2010

I'm not sure about all the ones that were told they didn't make the cut. I know that 1 of the girls played some fastpitch (rec) last year. The others I'm not sure.

Of the the 24 spots he filled, 10 are Freshman. This is the first time we have ever had a good number of experinced players coming in. 4 of them are from my travel team. All 4 of them made the cut. The coach told them he hasn't made a decision on which team (JV or Varsity) or positions yet.

I, myself have not been to any open gym or practice yet, this information was told to me by 2 of my travel players. I have personally spoken with 2 of the girls that were told they didn't make the cut.

default · Feb 26, 2010

Just so I understand what everyone is bent out of shape about.

Is it because you think the coach can't evaluate talent that quickly based on just open gyms (and maybe indoor ball?)?

Or, you think its against OHSAA rules? (is it, I don't know?)

Or, its somehow unfair for a coach to have a cursory view of his 2010 team based on what they did last year, what they did over the summer, what they did in the weight room, what they did during indoor, and what they've done during open gyms.

I guess my only point is (assuming its not illegal according to OHSAA). What if the three players had 0 chance of making the team. What if they risked injury by participating in open gyms. If they had 0 chance of making the team, is it wrong to tell them - assuming its not wrong according to OHSAA then - I don't have an issue.

If a high school coach doesn't for the most part know what he has at his school and what's coming in with the freshman then he's not a very good coach and he has no relationship with the local youth programs which tells me he's never going to be any good.

As travel coaches we are asked to evaluate talent based on a couple swings, a couple ground balls, etc... in tryouts. I bet this coach has seen these players more than the players that don't get select to play on my team.

Just a different perspective.

default · Feb 26, 2010

Tangy-Mike said:
Just so I understand what everyone is bent out of shape about.

Is it because you think the coach can't evaluate talent that quickly based on just open gyms (and maybe indoor ball?)?

Or, you think its against OHSAA rules? (is it, I don't know?)

Or, its somehow unfair for a coach to have a cursory view of his 2010 team based on what they did last year, what they did over the summer, what they did in the weight room, what they did during indoor, and what they've done during open gyms.

I guess my only point is (assuming its not illegal according to OHSAA). What if the three players had 0 chance of making the team. What if they risked injury by participating in open gyms. If they had 0 chance of making the team, is it wrong to tell them - assuming its not wrong according to OHSAA then - I don't have an issue.

If a high school coach doesn't for the most part know what he has at his school and what's coming in with the freshman then he's not a very good coach and he has no relationship with the local youth programs which tells me he's never going to be any good.

As travel coaches we are asked to evaluate talent based on a couple swings, a couple ground balls, etc... in tryouts. I bet this coach has seen these players more than the players that don't get select to play on my team.

Just a different perspective.

I see where you are going and don't 100% disagree, but ....
Everyone should be allowed to practice until try outs are scheduled

( medically fit to do so - how ever most schools do not require a physical to after try outs)

Then they get cut if they don't have the skill sets, but not until try outs occur. keep in mind they are putting the time in to make a team - they could learn valuable info during the pre-try out time frame. And here is where I differ from allot of coaches -
lets start showing some dignity / respect to the kids skilled or unskilled. They are putting in the time so too can the coach, especially a paid HS coach.

Lastly I had the opportunity to coach travel 10 -14U fastpitch, We saw many kids thru the summer play and also took the time to go watch them play slow pitch and persuade them to get away from the Dark (slow pitch) and move to the light. Thats where we evaluted allot of talent, not just based upon a couple of grounders / swings of the bat.

Not whining or complaining just offering a different perspective
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