Call To Ban Metal Bats!

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That is a shame what happened to that high school boy. One thing i do like about fastpitch over hardball is the chance to have a face mask. I have noticed that a lot of high school girls dont like to wear them. I as a coach and a father of girls that play fastpitch, believe 3rd,1st and the pitcher should wear them. The bats get better each year and moving back the pitcher mound to 43 feet will be increased offense. If you have your corners in and the way some of these young ladies can hit, I like the mask on the corners and the mound. Just a thought.
 
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I really wish they would move the bases back in high school, and I can't believe it is not required for corners, and pitcher's to use a mask!
 
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With moving pitcher's plate back to 43' feet... they should move the bases back to 65' feet so there is more defense to the game.. thus girls not playing the corners so tight... I see baseball going back to wooden bats.. but girls softball I don't because of the size of the softball versus the size of the baseball and the impact on the bat.

But, I can only hope that OHSAA goes to requiring face masks on pitchers and the corners. If ASA does it... you'll see a lot of States doing it as well.
 
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My thought on moving the mound to 43' is to make it a more offensive game. I watched the UD game the other day and the infielders arms were so strong most girls were being thrown out by 3 steps. I think if the bases were any further it could be very boreing from a run production point of view. Not to say that i dont like defense, it wins championships. But offense sells tickets in all sports.
With moving pitcher's plate back to 43' feet... they should move the bases back to 65' feet so there is more defense to the game.. thus girls not playing the corners so tight... I see baseball going back to wooden bats.. but girls softball I don't because of the size of the softball versus the size of the baseball and the impact on the bat.

But, I can only hope that OHSAA goes to requiring face masks on pitchers and the corners. If ASA does it... you'll see a lot of States doing it as well.
 
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I really wish they would move the bases back in high school, and I can't believe it is not required for corners, and pitcher's to use a mask!

Baseball bases are already back to the max distance of 90 feet. If the bat is wood or metal and both meet the acceptable bat test, then what's the problem? I have seen Major League pitchers get hit the same way, and Major League uses wood bats. They should wear masks as well or here's a thought, instead of all pitching lessons being on hitting the strike zone or trying to learn 6 different pitches to throw all the time, how about adding reflex skills to field or defend against a comebacker.

I do not think wood bats can be used in fastpitch. #1They can't make the bats light enough for girls to use at 25oz unless the bats are only 30 inches or less in length. #2 can you imagine when the bat breaks, I have seen the bats in major league baseball reach the outfield. Now it's a smaller ball with less weight in baseball, I would think using a heavier ball that bats breaking would be really common. Can you imagine how many pitchers might be impaled with a broken bat standing only 30ft away from the batter?
 
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If you move the bases back to 100 ft in fastpitch, girls will still be standing at the corners at 35 ft or so to defend against the bunts and slaps. If you make the corners play back then the game will turn into bunt ball.
 
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They should wear masks as well or here's a thought, instead of all pitching lessons being on hitting the strike zone or trying to learn 6 different pitches to throw all the time, how about adding reflex skills to field or defend against a comebacker.

I do that with my dd every so often. After she pitches, I flat out fire one back at her to see if she is truly ready. Once we get back outside, we spend at least 10-15 minutes with hard hit balls back at her.
 
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Follow the money....having personally seen metal bats end lives--I am betting that after a couple more tragedies, the bats will stay untouched, but there will be a move to deaden baseballs and softballs. Back in the mid-90's, the major sanctioning bodies in softball got together and banned every ball above a .47 COR, and I think now they are at .44, because men were literally dying almost every weekend due to .54 COR balls and double wall and exotic metal bats. I bet they make a lot more money off one bat than they do off a cse of softballs...
 
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I will just say this ( and i have a daughter who pitches and wears a mask!) Stop trying to make this game Safe! It is a sport... There will be injuries. There will be major injuries.. Baseball and softball have been played for over 100 years and millions of injuries have occurred and they will continue to occurr. You cannot stop them and if you think you can slow them down, you are mistaken.. They will happen no matter what you do if you play competitively!!! So Please teach your daughter to play hard, protect themselves by getting better and wearing appropriate gear, but stop trying to make this game Safe........ IT IS NOT SAFE!!.... Pitchers are hurling a hard yellow ball toward your daughter at 60+ MPH, that same ball is coming back at your daughter at 90+ MPH, kids slide into bases with metal on their feet.... daughters will lay out and land flat on the ground from several feet in the air to catch a ball.. This is our game and we Love it... but it is not SAFE

Please, if you want your daughter to play a safer game then create something called Saf-t-ball or something and have at it.. But I happen to love the this game of fastpitch and do not want to see 9 fielders in catchers gear, 90 foot bases and wooden bats in it.

So, I will say again, teach your daughters to play at the appropriate level and use correct techniques, plus good protective equipment that is available and forget the notion that your daughter is going to play this game without getting injured. ( praying that that statement does not come back to bite me in ***!)

I will end by saying this, I have been around the conversation of this with many college coaches, from all levels and I do not recall even one (Im sure there may be some out there) that said they need to make this game safer.. They just want to make their players better!!!
 
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You said it, Crush1.......

Big Brother is always trying to protect us from ourselves. I see all these kids these days riding bikes and skateboards with helmets and knee pads and elbow pads and a half-inch-thick layer of SPF 2000 sunblock, and I wonder how I ever made it through childhood.

My own little Louuuuuise took a shot in the head at SpanoDome last winter. The first thing she said was "Great, now my Mom is going to make me wear a mask".

Incidents happen in sports. It's part of the game. (And it's best to know the 5 D's of Dodgeball!)
 
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What has really changed over the last 20-30 years in fastpitch is the bats. I have seen several pitchers and 3rd basemen hit in the face with hard liners without a chance to react. One in the OHSAA state tourney and one who plays for BGSU so it was not a lack of athletic ability. A couple of the girls went straight to the hospital. What was wrong with using ordinary aluminum bats? If you could hit back in the old days, you could hit. There were still homeruns with those bats, but not from girls who were 5 ft. tall and 95 lbs.
 
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It's a shame to see any kid get hurt. It's also a shame to see the media spread misinformation, or to have consumer groups respond with a knee jerk reaction to an obvious tragedy.

Did that report really claim the batted ball was travelling at 130 m.p.h.? I would highly doubt that. High School baseball bats are certified to the Ball Exit Speed Ratio (BESR) standard. The most reliable testing suggests that bats to this standard outperform wood bats by about 5 m.p.h. The batted ball speed is largely dependent on the speed of the pitch and the speed the bat is swung. Major League hitters, where the pitches are faster and the bats are swung faster, generally top out at about 110 m.p.h. batted ball speed. Even with the added 5 m.p.h. with a BESR bat, 130 m.p.h. seems like a stretch for high school players.

Yet the number is thrown out as if it were fact. How could anyone possibly know this? What are the chances that someone had a radar gun on a batted ball, or timed out the time to impact to the exact millisecond?

Ironically, when a similar incident happened in New York a few years ago (which led to their ban on non-wood bats) those fighting for the ban cited a study that claimed non-wood bats could produce batted ball speeds of- you guessed it- 130 m.p.h. That study has since been proven inaccurate.

Hmmm...I wonder where they got that figure.

The report also referred to "lightweight" aluminum bats. High School rules state (and the BESR certification is based upon) that bats can be no lighter numerically than 3 ounces less than the length of the bat. For instance, a 34" long bat cannot weigh less than 31 ounces, or a 36" bat less than 33 ounces. These weights are comparable to wood bats of similar length.

The whole point of the BESR certification is to produce bats that mimic the same effects of wood bats. Yes, the non-wood bats can hit the ball just a little bit faster. High School baseball has already recognized this and last year modified their bat standards once again to make bats in their game perform even more closely and predictably like wood bats. This new standard- Batted Ball Coefficient of Restitution or BBCOR- goes into effect next season.

When you stop and think about the, literally, millions of batted balls that will be hit in all games during a single season, it makes you realize how exceedingly rare an injury like this really is. If we switched to all wood bats tomorrow, the same injuries could happen and would happen with the same rare frequency.

By the way, in high school baseball it is perfectly legal for any defensive player to wear a protective face mask. And, of course, in softball any player can wear one. And wood bats are legal in either sport.

Please don't take this the wrong way- I'm not trying to minimize the tragedy that this family has gone through and I wouldn't wish something like this on anyone. But if a parent is concerned about the possibility of injury, then why wouldn't the parent insist that his child wear a perfectly legal piece of protective equipment? On the same token, if a parent is concerned about injury to another child, why does that parent purchase the latest high-tech bat for their own kid?

Sure, the kid might resist or complain. As the parent, don't you have the final say? If you feel so strongly about safety, why wait for some third party to asume the parental role and legislate it into your sport. Avail yourself, and your child, of the protective equipment and safer bats that are already an option for any player right now.
 
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What has really changed over the last 20-30 years in fastpitch is the bats. I have seen several pitchers and 3rd basemen hit in the face with hard liners without a chance to react. One in the OHSAA state tourney and one who plays for BGSU so it was not a lack of athletic ability. A couple of the girls went straight to the hospital. What was wrong with using ordinary aluminum bats? If you could hit back in the old days, you could hit. There were still homeruns with those bats, but not from girls who were 5 ft. tall and 95 lbs.

Good post and I agree
 
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To make the more competive, increase scoring, the mounds going back t 43 is a start. I say make it 45'and bases back to 75' like the 14u boys play, that change should occur at age 14. the 'slapp' has changed the game long enough with their skill set.....shoot the outifiedl fence deminsions arent changing we need .less slap and bunt and more diggin in that box and smashing the ball
 
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bretman...great post. I agree injuries happen in all sports. Taking appropriate precautions seems prudent, and every parent needs to make the best choice for their child. That being said, this is still a sport. Every sport has a risk of injury. Wooden bats pose their own problems when they break and fly into the field. Banning metal bats seems to be a knee jerk reaction to solve a problem that can't be solved.
 
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Anyone who thinks the slap game has changed the game obviously hasn't been around the sport long. Bunting and slapping has been a major part of fastpitch forever. It was a way to battle the dominate pitchers and use speed.

This game is designed to be played fast with strategy. Not just sit back and hack away. That is one of the reasons it is so popular as compared to baseball to the real enthusiasts.
 
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One problem I'm having with my dd who plays second is: she says I don't need to wear my mask at second. Problem with that thinking is: when a lefty comes to bat, her team brings the short and second up and keeps the corners back. She played a game on Saturday, lefty comes up and they bring her and shortstop up and the girl precedes to hit away and take one over the center fielders head. I asked if she was going to call time every time a lefty comes up to bat so she can go and get her game face.
I just wish these girls would stop worrying about what anyone else thinks. I think that is why you see so few protective mask in high school. My dd's scrimmaged three teams on Saturday and I think one girl wore a protective mask. She never had a problem wearing it for her travel team while playing second. I guess I will just have to put my foot down. These girls play softball for only a short time in their lives. Crazy to risk spending the rest of your life dealing with an injury that could have been prevented. JMHO
 
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The high-end non-wood bats five to seven years ago were much hotter than the non-wood bats of today, but the non-wood bats of today are still hotter than wood bats. Even though today's bats are nerfed a bit, they still are much more forgiving than wood bats so the "incidence" of a hot shot is much greater. That's the real problem in today's game.

Len
 
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