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In the words of a local highschool coach, "I would rather work with a player I am going to have for four years then one I am going to have for two."
Right or wrong in the eyes of ofc?
 
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In the words of a local highschool coach, "I would rather work with a player I am going to have for four years then one I am going to have for two."
Right or wrong in the eyes of ofc?

As a high school coach, I will need more information on the players before I can answer that honestly.
 
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The players with the most varsity experience were moved down or not played so he can have room to work with the freshmen including the pitcher for four years. In my opinion the statement itself is not right. I just wanted to know other peoples' opinions.
 
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They all are eventually going to be a one or two year individual as they all will be Juniors and Seniors eventually, so it doesn't compute...
 
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I don't think I would say something like that, but I can see the logic that all other things being equal, if I had a freshman who was as good now as a junior at a certain position, that I might keep the freshman and give her more of an opportunity because she has more upside potential. Not all coaches feel that way of course ... all I am saying is that might be his logic ...
 
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i say play the best regardless of age or years and rest will take care of itself
 
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How much work does a high school coach really do? There is very little practice time once the season starts and the season is so short to begin with. Most sucessful teams are sucessful because of the work the athletes put in the off season with their travel teams. Very few HS coaches work with travel teams in the off season so the most work they have to do is decide who plays where?
 
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How much work does a high school coach really do? There is very little practice time once the season starts and the season is so short to begin with. Most sucessful teams are sucessful because of the work the athletes put in the off season with their travel teams. Very few HS coaches work with travel teams in the off season so the most work they have to do is decide who plays where?

LMAO.....yea, thats all we do....
 
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How much work does a high school coach really do? There is very little practice time once the season starts and the season is so short to begin with. Most sucessful teams are sucessful because of the work the athletes put in the off season with their travel teams. Very few HS coaches work with travel teams in the off season so the most work they have to do is decide who plays where?

probably a little unfair,but i feel ya with travel ball players have all summer to get reps.but i have also seen travel teams that are so spread out they dont do much except manage either
 
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I'm only guessing, but my OLD SCHOOL experience and mentality have me believing this scenario makes lots of sense if/when a Coach is dealing with choosing between an extremely talented Freshman that is just about equal to a Junior or Seniors talent level knowing the potential is higher if worked with the freshman for four years.

In that scenario, I would ALWAYS take the Freshman, with the caveat that the upper classman(*women) is NOT the backbone of the team as it pertains to character, work ethic, & leadership.

Historically strong programs always take their most talented Freshman up to varsity for that vary reason. It ensures maturity, leadership, and highest potential met out of top kids that come in/out of the program, which in turn usually makes the program stronger then the other schools that keep their young talent down a year or two with the mindset of "seniority'. Programs with a seniority strategy aren't often seen after sectional play is over, nor do their kids tend to reach their full potential 'in those programs".

Niether is rright or wrong just simply that Coaches or ADs philosophy on what HS Ball experience should be for their student athletes.
 
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A new coach needing to add security to a job that does pay money beyond the normal job. You have to build for the future as we all hope to do, but you have to give respect to the kids that are Juniors and Seniors, for it is school ball! Girls are not looked at like boys baseball and that's a perception that we all get confused when doing some of these thoughts on here. Every new coach has to lay out a plan with goals and ideas in order to get the job and lay out every angle to be successful. If a new coach's angle is to play the best of the best then that is a goal we all travel parents desire! However, if kids are equal in talent either freshman or senior, then the senior should play (jmo).
A lot of our 15 year olds in the travel world are just as good as the 18 yr olds in the travel world! The same thing applies in H.S., but once again (jmo) the senior should earn the right, that's what H.S. is about, because in travel ball we all try to put our teams together with the same birth year, and that's not fair to the kid with an off year (even though she is better), because we fear that kid will leave to a team with something better to offer or the ability to stay together longer.
We all try to put a team together to play together all the way through from 10U to 18U and we all know how that works out?(lol) So travel and H.S. isn't really much different except a H.S. coach has to deal with 14U thru 18U and do what is best for the team and the school.
To hear some one say I want to work with only freshman(4years) basically, and ignore the upperclassmen is not a coach, just another idiot with a plan to satisfy the boosters and the school board to get a job! I'm assuming this coach will never take a college job, as the kids in most college sports can leave after 2 years of playing.
I guess my final sumation is the coach is an idiot and looking for job security for the next 4 years, and I feel sorry for those Juniors and Seniors, but is really any different than the travel ball coach that wants the same berth years?
 
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It should be the best 9 on the field, regardless of age. Upperclassmen, underclassmen, it doesn't matter, play the best players.
 
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Rdelawder ... I very much respect what you are saying, but I also agree with Klump that you should play the best 9 regardless of grade, and would argue that that is not at all how a coach takes the easy way or makes the most people (i.e., parents/board/boosters/AD) happy. Its much easier for a coach to just play the older girls, and have a lot less "noise". I would argue that way more high school softball coaches get fired for upsetting girls/parents than do for not winning games. I very much respect those who take and play the girls who work hard on their game and will give them the best chance to win in the current year and beyond, and not those who just take the older girls who think they "earned" the right to play by becoming an upperclassman.
 
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The comparision between travel and HS is a worthless excersize. The dynamics that exist are totally and completely different. In HS for the most the parents,players and coaches have a 4 year window for which they are part of a program. Regardless of what we all think knowing you are going to have this group for 4 years is an input into your decision making.

In travel coaches,players, and parents have the option every year to make judgements about their role on the team. At that time everyone has the ability to move,stay, or test the waters and return. Something that allows a totally differnet set of decision making criteria for everyone.

So IMO to hold them to the same standard is ridiculous and unfair.

I still think the best 9 should play but us arm chair coaches for the most part would not fair much better and people would be bashing us the same way. So quit whining and making yourselves miserable and make the best of your situation instead of the worst.
 
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Rdelawder ... I very much respect what you are saying, but I also agree with Klump that you should play the best 9 regardless of grade, and would argue that that is not at all how a coach takes the easy way or makes the most people (i.e., parents/board/boosters/AD) happy. Its much easier for a coach to just play the older girls, and have a lot less "noise". I would argue that way more high school softball coaches get fired for upsetting girls/parents than do for not winning games. I very much respect those who take and play the girls who work hard on their game and will give them the best chance to win in the current year and beyond, and not those who just take the older girls who think they "earned" the right to play by becoming an upperclassman.
I agree with ya coachjwb and Klump, as I stated if EQUAL in talent then I feel the Junior or Senior earns the right. The original post was about a coach wanting to only work with girls that they will have for the next 4 years, so I assumed it is a new coach to that H.S. and to just disregard the older girls is wrong. I've always been about the best 9 play and always will be!
A H.S. Coach's dream would be to have 11 travel ball players that all play "A" ball from 14U through 18U, but that situation is very rare, but when it does happen, I bet there are very little complaints because a non travel ball player (Junior or Senior) knows they are only on the team because of respect and should get playing time based on situations, and know they cant start!
So as I stated before, to just disregard the older girls is wrong, to only want to work with the Freshman to build for the future is a good idea, but is it fair if they are not the best 9 starters?
 
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How much work does a high school coach really do? There is very little practice time once the season starts and the season is so short to begin with. Most sucessful teams are sucessful because of the work the athletes put in the off season with their travel teams. Very few HS coaches work with travel teams in the off season so the most work they have to do is decide who plays where?

Are you serious?? Come join us in northwest Ohio sometime.
 
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Since every kid walks around with there exact skill level tatooed on their forehead it should be easy for the HS coaches to figure out who the best 9 are and play them regardless of age right??

Well since that isn't true, a HS coach who has never seen a freshman before tryouts should take Mom and Dad's word that their kid is much better than the upperclassmen the coach has worked with for multiple seasons, because no parent would overrate their kid right?

There are kids who are so gifted that they are head and shoulder's above the pack and most coaches will recognize this and find ways to utilize them as freshman. When it comes to near "equals" I would take the kid I have more experience with over the unknown until or unless equal becomes extremely unequal at some point. I wouldn't dump a senior hitting .250 for a freshman hitting .300 on JV, but if that freshman was hitting over .500 and dropping bombs out of the park, you need to accept that what may have seemed equal at tryouts, isn't and make changes where necessary.
 
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i say play the best regardless of age or years and rest will take care of itself

agreed 100%. It's year by year in High School. Just better hope they entire school has plans to help varsity "reload" year after year. Still have to think long term and that's what Freshman and JV are for. Injuries and interest will get you from time to time but sport doesn't have that issue.

And I'm a long term thinker... so my team isn't that way in travel but I also don't coach a school team so my credibility in that area is a challenge. My 2 cents.
 
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I said "VERY FEW HS COACHES". For some it's more than just the almighty dollar.
 
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Since every kid walks around with there exact skill level tatooed on their forehead it should be easy for the HS coaches to figure out who the best 9 are and play them regardless of age right??

Well since that isn't true, a HS coach who has never seen a freshman before tryouts should take Mom and Dad's word that their kid is much better than the upperclassmen the coach has worked with for multiple seasons, because no parent would overrate their kid right?

There are kids who are so gifted that they are head and shoulder's above the pack and most coaches will recognize this and find ways to utilize them as freshman. When it comes to near "equals" I would take the kid I have more experience with over the unknown until or unless equal becomes extremely unequal at some point. I wouldn't dump a senior hitting .250 for a freshman hitting .300 on JV, but if that freshman was hitting over .500 and dropping bombs out of the park, you need to accept that what may have seemed equal at tryouts, isn't and make changes where necessary.

That's what winter ball and try-outs are for right???
 

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