16- States

[Concrete]

Every Team in the Bracket should of been in the Flipping of the cards. They are the ones who sent us home almost 24 Hrs before they decided to Flip Cards on the Winner.

 

[DougL]

I got my email at 9:34am - no text.

 

[cjs]

It's the ASA State Championship and it was reduced to a card game, ASA should be ashamed of this result

 

[Run26]

It's the ASA State Championship and it was reduced to a card game, ASA should be ashamed of this result

I'm not saying it's a great result but what other options were on the table? The 18U tourney was rained out too but it appears more games took place. Why isn't the 16U bracket posted? Were any bracket games played?

 

[Wubbamom]

We played our first bracket game Friday night at 8:15 and won.

 

[chixdad]

We played and won our first bracket game in the rain at 8:15 as well. I heard that as many as 15 games needed to be played in the first round yet.

 

[cjs]

I'm not saying it's a great result but what other options were on the table? The 18U tourney was rained out too but it appears more games took place. Why isn't the 16U bracket posted? Were any bracket games played?

Have to be able to move the bids to other places if this happens, I understand that it creates problems for a lot of people, but these kids work very hard in the off season and deserve the right to prove it on the field, there are several very good teams that got shafted at this tournament and now because of a card game several very good teams, that due to scheduling will not be able to go to the nationals they are good enough to go to. There are a limited number of bids available and only a few weekends that we can schedule. We have been playing for 4 weeks and have applied for 3 national qualifiers, two of them have been rained out and we didn't play quite well enough at the first one to get a bid, but have not been given another chance due to weather and those bids have been given away on chance, not skill or hard work, so now several very good teams in the same situation have to compete for the one bid left, or in some teams case recruiting showcases will take precedence over the only qualifier left.

 

[Strohbro]

You are right. Several good teams did not get an opportunity to play it out on the field. They let the chips fall where they may. Unfortunately it happened. I have yet to hear one of the teams who had a good shot at getting one of the four berths complain yet on here. You just have to deal with it. If you want a berth that bad, go to Cincinnati and try to get it. Or you could be like everyone else who already has commitments and cannot go. It's part of the game the girls and coaches play. Weather can ALWAYS be a deciding factor of any tournament. It stinks that it happened but such is life!

 

[cincy static 98]

You probably won't hear from a couple of the qualified teams complain because a couple only had to draw once while most of the teams present were in the bottom of the bracket including us had to draw 4 or 5 times to make it that Far. We lost Also played a bracket game along with a few more teams and a lot did not. That's not really fair either. But it is what it is and we move on. IMO if they were dragging the fields while we were there we should've of played today.

 

[SoCal_Dad]

ASA Code prescribes how order of finish is determined for incomplete tournaments.

Article 310 GENERAL REGULATIONS OF CHAMPIONSHIP PLAY. All championship play must be conducted in accordance with this Code and the playing rules as adopted by the ASA. In case of a conflict between the playing rules and the ASA Code in championship play, the ASA Code shall take precedence.
...
I. Official Order of Finish. The following procedures will be used in determining the official order of finish.
NOTE: When breaking ties with more than two ( 2 ) teams within the same position in the bracket, once you pass a step when following the order of finish code procedures, you do not return to those passed steps until changing to a different bracket position.
...
02. Incomplete Tournament. In the event a national qualifier, regional, territorial qualifier or national championship final tournament cannot be completed within the scheduled time frame the following procedures shall be used to break ties among teams in the same spot in the bracket.
a. Head to head competition.
b. The team that advanced the farthest in the winner?s bracket.
c. Won-loss records, except among undefeated teams.
d. If only two teams are tied for a position and have played each other, the winner of that game.
EXCEPTION: If there are only two teams remaining and each team has one loss, the championship must be played or the teams shall be declared co-champions. In the case of the ASA Eastern / Northern / Southern / Western National Championship Finals, Co-Champions will not be declared. If this occurs, the tiebreaker in Article 310 ( I )( 02 ) ( e, f and g ) of this Code followed in order will be used to determine the team advancing to the USA National Championship Series.
e. The teams shall be ranked according to the fewest runs allowed per game played.
f. If a tie still exists, the teams shall be ranked according to the most runs scored per game played.
g. If a tie still exits, by a coin toss.
NOTE: Only bracket play games should be used in determining the official order of finish for National Championship Finals, pool play games should not be used.

 

[BA824]

What I hate is that final note. I realize pool games can be luck of draw but if that is all you have to go on at least they were games played. I think this would be better then coin flips or card draws.

 

[Run26]

What I hate is that final note. I realize pool games can be luck of draw but if that is all you have to go on at least they were games played. I think this would be better then coin flips or card draws.

How many bracket games took place? i doubt all 32 played on Friday night.

As for taking pool play into account; this link shows there were 20 teams undefeated after PP: http://gfp.tournamentasa.com/i!/schedule/PoolDivDetail.php?TID=4053&DIVID=26

Are you suggesting that the criteria provided by SoCal be used on PP?

 

[BA824]

Im not sure what the answer is just there should be a better way then coin flips/card draws. This happened to us with ASA about 7 years ago. Pool play was played Friday. Saturday/ Sunday totally rained out. Did coin flips for entire tournament to award berths. I felt using pool play results in some way was better then coin flips. It was a disaster and 7-8 years later nothing has changed

 

[cincy static 98]

The only teams that i heard that played bracket games are. Cincy static 98 - wilp, diamond chix 99, miami valley express gold, and I think ohio hawks lenos. We all played the 6:30 bracket play games. I don't know who else finished there games. I think we all won our first bracket games.

 

[CatcherMOM]

My daughter plays in 18u and this is her last summer playing hence my increased frustration with the cancellation of tournaments because of rain. The last two Sundays we are at home doing yard work and enjoying the beautiful weather. I realize that the TD's cannot do anything to control the weather but I would at least like to see some effort I guess. When my husband and I used to help with tournaments we spent countless hours at the ball field working fields due to rain... not fun but totally worth the pay off to see the teams finish.

Additionally, in my opinion the State Tournaments should have to be planned at a location with turf fields and lights (Berliner,etc... ), berths should not be handed out on a flip of a coin!! (My daughter's team doesn't care about the ASA/USA berth, our team has already committed to attending another tournament but it should be played out) Both weekends we have gotten rained out the tournaments in Berliner played on and this past weekend... several tournaments played late on Saturday and all day Sunday after working on their fields.

 

[Strohbro]

From the ASA Page on here submitted by Blackhawks......

After the rainout and the drawing of cards per ASA the following teams got the births: Miami Valley Express Gold 98, Blackhawks Sterling, Wizards Elite Shook and Diamond Chix.

 

[Run26]

From the ASA Page on here submitted by Blackhawks......

After the rainout and the drawing of cards per ASA the following teams got the births: Miami Valley Express Gold 98, Blackhawks Sterling, Wizards Elite Shook and Diamond Chix.

I guess pool play really didn't count: http://gfp.tournamentasa.com/i!/schedule/PoolTeamDetail.php?TID=4053&PSID=14997&TMID=31821

 

[okiedad1961]

The only teams that i heard that played bracket games are. Cincy static 98 - wilp, diamond chix 99, miami valley express gold, and I think ohio hawks lenos. We all played the 6:30 bracket play games. I don't know who else finished there games. I think we all won our first bracket games.

We were a 8:15 bracket game,and completed ours w a win,at marathon diamonds, they even brought a game over to finish a itb from hs fields,would losers be in draw or were they be left off?

 

[Strohbro]

No it didn't Run. A lot of times teams don't worry about pool play either. Go 2-0, 1-1 or 0-2 does not bother some teams. It's when bracket play starts that it means something. Time to play your best 9 and not bat all 12. Maybe changes should be made to pool play. But you still have to figure out who gets in and who would get left out of having to flip coins or draw cards.

 

[17smom]

The only teams that i heard that played bracket games are. Cincy static 98 - wilp, diamond chix 99, miami valley express gold, and I think ohio hawks lenos. We all played the 6:30 bracket play games. I don't know who else finished there games. I think we all won our first bracket games.

We (Lasers Orange) also won a bracket game that started at 8:15 pm Friday night. We were at Benton Ridge and there were two other bracket games going on then too. I know that there were still a lot of bracket games that had to happen in the morning, but I would guess that maybe close to half of the first round bracket games were completed Friday night between the Marathon Fields, Benton Ridge, and Findlay HS.