7 ReasonsNot to Post Your Team Stats

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I found this very interesting................

7 Reasons Not to Post Your Team Stats
By: Cindy Bristow

Thinking of putting your team stats up on your website? If so, then maybe I can get you to think again by discovering my 7 reasons not to post your team stats online

Think twice before you publicly post your team softball stats

Stats do have a role in softball but they can also backfire and have a negative effect if you're not careful. Make sure you're considering all 7 aspects before putting those stats on your team website.

Coaches love stats as they can help us see things we might have missed, or see things other than the worst thing or the last. But stats can also be bad news if we use them wrong. Females see stats differently than guys do and that's important since a lot of you reading this are men. Seeing female things from a male point of view is usually a recipe for trouble. Not that guys see the world wrong and women see it right, it's not a right vs wrong issue at all but rather a thought process issue. Women have to feel good to play good and guys play good to feel good. That's why stats don't fly with women. As soon as women look at stats we immediately feel horrible about ourselves so game over. where guys just use poor stats to fire them up.

That's why I'm not a proponent of posting your team stats online, unless of course you're a college coach and you've got no choice, but even then you've got a job ahead of you in managing the players (and parents) that will constantly be checking their stats. I know that most of you have team websites and feel that posting your team and individual stats is the thing to do.

Personally, I don't like the idea of posting your individual stats up on your team website at all, and here are my reasons why:

Individual vs Team. Stats are all about individuals and teams are all about the entire group. It's hard to teach your players to play together as a team and then rank order them based on individual stats. Team stats are one thing but individual stats take the team concept and blow it apart.

Stats Have a Purpose. Stats actually have a purpose other than to simply have them because everyone else does. The purpose of stats is to:
See how the pieces contribute to the success of the whole
Help strategize for attacking your opponents
Help see smaller parts within the team whole
Help to see the tendencies, patterns or trends
Unemotionalize performances

Greasing the Path. Parents are too obsessed these days with helping make their child?s path easier, faster and better and posting stats only adds to that.

The Great Divide. Stats put a HUGE wedge between the players on your team with good numbers and those with poor ones. While this might be OK in the world of guys, with women and girls it doesn't cut it. This kills the confidence of the weaker players and can even turn them on you. they'll wonder why you're so mean, putting all of that on the web (true).

Stats Lie. Here it is again, stats lie. And most stats aren't even helpful. "Statistics Always Reminds Me Of The Man Who Drowned In A River Whose Average Depth Was Only Three Feet." Woody Hayes. It doesn't matter that the river averaged just three feet deep and that you shouldn't be able to drown in that little of water, it just matters that the guy drowned. I don't really care what your batting average is, I'd rather know what your hard-hit average is, what your average is with runners in scoring position, what your good play following bad play ratio is and so on. These aren't stats that most scorekeepers keep or that most stat programs figure so I think the common stats are pretty meaningless. This is particularly true in travel ball when you have NO clue how to gauge the quality of your opponent. (hitting .325 might sound good unless it's against teams you should be hitting .525 against).

Who Are They For? Who are the stats being posted for? The media probably isn't watching, the college coaches don't care about stats and the parents already know how good they feel their daughter is. stats won't change their minds.

They're Kids. Even if you're coaching a team of 18 year olds they're still young and need to keep their focus on their effort, their contribution to the team and their enjoyment of the sport. Putting up stats makes players start playing to improve their own numbers and pulls them away from the things they should be focused on.

I think it's hard enough to create a solid functioning team without further splintering it apart by posting individual stats that are practically meaningless and serve no real purpose.

Now, just because I'm not a supporter of posting your individual stats on your team website doesn't mean I don't think you should be keeping them. I think from a coaching point of view stats can be very helpful. Stats can help us see patterns or trends that we might otherwise miss since we're often looking at too many things, or else we're too emotional to notice some things.

But stats are only as good as the person who is keeping them, and they're only as helpful as the opponents are quantifiable. If you're going to keep stats on your individual players then make sure you have the same person or limited group of people always keeping your stats so they score things the same way. Consistency is what makes stats meaningful. Also, in travel ball it's too hard to know anything about the quality of your opponents since you don't really know how good they are, or if they're even using the same roster against you that they used last weekend against other teams. The whole concept of guest players makes individual stats seem really meaningless. The more consistent your opponents roster and quality of opponents are the more meaningful your own individual stats will be.

If you're going to bother keeping individual stats just make sure you're using them to help improve the performance of your team by taking the ones that help you, using them if you bother taking them, making sure they're taking in a consistent manner, and keeping them within your coaching staff. You're all too busy to do extra work!
 
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Also another reason is most scorekeepers don't really know how to keep a proper book.
 
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I agree that posts individual stats for all to see is a BAD idea in travel.

IF your kid is last in BA- some parents will be looking at you like WTF
IF the coaches kid has the best stats - parents will complain who is keepingt he book

I could go on and on................

My wife likes to keep stats and give them to each individual player with notes on what she did right and wrong.

For example: K with girls on 1st and 2nd...........but she was given the sign to bunt and put 2 foul......now she has to hit the pitchers pitch..........the problem was not getting bunt fair

Or- a bunt out.............explain how that won the game..........

A player might only have about 15 at bats in a tournament. And they might have been asked to bunt 4 times. Now she hits 4 line drives for out, Ks 2 times, flies out once, and gets 2 grounders for outs, and has 2 hits.......

Now a weekend like that could have been really good. Both gournders and fly ball get runs in, all 4 bunts move runners into scoring position. So that is 7 good at bats, plus 4 line drives...that is 11 good at bats out of 15. Then 2 hits...that is 13 out of 15 good at bats. So only 2 bad at bats but she hit .181............but had good at bats .867.....sounds like a great player and weekend but the stats would look like dung.
 
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How many high school or travel teams publicly post their stats? Many coaches share the stats within the team, but posting them publicly?
 
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... Females see stats differently than guys do and that?s important since a lot of you reading this are men. Seeing female things from a male point of view is usually a recipe for trouble. Not that guys see the world wrong and women see it right, it?s not a right vs wrong issue at all but rather a thought process issue. Women have to feel good to play good and guys play good to feel good. That?s why stats don?t fly with women. As soon as women look at stats we immediately feel horrible about ourselves so game over ? where guys just use poor stats to fire them up.
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The purpose of stats is to:
See how the pieces contribute to the success of the whole
Help strategize for attacking your opponents
Help see smaller parts within the team whole
Help to see the tendencies, patterns or trends
Unemotionalize performances
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Parents are too obsessed these days with helping make their child?s path easier, faster and better and posting stats only adds to that.

This is awesome information, and goes beyond just the issue of stats. I pulled out what I consider to be the most telling. I absolutely agree that stats should be a PRIVATE tool ONLY used by the team coaches for the benefit of the team. The statements about "The purpose of stats" should be Gospel. Unfortunately, many parents have mistakenly seized the opportunity to use their kid's stats as a bragging tool. As we mature, we realize that strategy will backfire.

The quoted part in red above IMO says it all. "Greasing the path" is an excellent analogy. I also like the analogy about "Teach a man to fish..."

Great post, nac!
 
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I've seen this done by teams and always thought they were begging to have their best players recruited away from them.
 
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Question on stats. My dd is a first year 16u. I have never seen any stats on her. Never been on a team that made them available if they had them. Now I'm doing those college recruiting sites and they have spots to post the stats. Do college coaches want to see the stats? Are they expecting to see the earlier years?
 
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It was sent to me by Wyatt Wong. I'm sure you know him.............


Yes I do. He is a amazing guy and has a vast knowledge of the game, but all that being said I love his movies a lot of action but a little wong.
 
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Musty ... high school ball and travel stats for the high school years are standard fare for the profiles the girls send to colleges they're interested in or to have available at showcases. In my opinion, any coach of girls in this age level worth his or her salt should make complete stats available to players for this purpose if requested.
 
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Available, if requested, yes. But I wouldn't flaunt them. If you claim to be batting .700 in high school (or travel) the first thing a college coach thinks is "Okay, but who did you play against?". Kind of a Big Fish/Small Pond question.

And as somebody else mentioned - "Okay, but who keeps the score book?"
 
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How many high school or travel teams publicly post their stats? Many coaches share the stats within the team, but posting them publicly?

In our HS league, teams are required to report individual player stats to the local paper and they appear weekly. If we don't, it lists our school as not reporting and then our ADs are not happy with us.
 
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In our HS league, teams are required to report individual player stats to the local paper and they appear weekly. If we don't, it lists our school as not reporting and then our ADs are not happy with us.

Yes, and I did that, too, but how many teams put their entire stats online on a website? I don't think I've ever seen a single high school or travel team list all of their stats on their website.

Speaking only for myself as a college coach, I would LOVE it if I knew stats from high-level travel ball were reliable. If I knew they were, I would actually pay a lot of attention to them.
 
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There wasn't a college that my daughters have completed recruit information forms that DIDN'T ask for stats. Our school ball site posts stats for Middle School Reserve AND Varsity and hand out year end awards based on them. Our conference bases conference awards on stats - or at least I like to think so!

Stats, more importantly consistent stats, are an important tool and like just about everything else, if used properly, help the coach, players and team.

I'm not a big fan of the no stats - everyone is a winner philiosophy. I have 4 girls and I know they react on average, differently than if they were boys. But I have pounded into their heads that winning with no risk, without the possibility of losing, is a waste of their time. Most won't appreciate batting .500 unless they have batted .100 at some point. You never learn to pick yourself up and turn the tide if you are never knocked to the ground. JMHO
 
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Also another reason is most scorekeepers don't really know how to keep a proper book.

Yup....in my older dd's HS experience, never let a pitcher's parent keep the book... For some reason, hits are marked as errors (when his daughter is pitching) and when your daughter is pitching, those same errors are now hits :rolleyes:
 
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How is it that one of the top 7 reasons isn't that it's just plain dumb to give your opponents detailed information about your team strengths and weaknesses.

Especially in High School and travel ball where at most your facing opponents a handful of times and would have no opportunity to get that much info yourself on the opponent. Your handing the other team a roadmap to beat you. Suppose you have a kid that can't hit a lick but is very patient at the plate and has a .100 BA but .500 OBP because she walks twice a game. You wouldn't put notes to that affect on the lineup card you hand the other team, so why would you post it on the web? Many coaches here for HS make sure that their captains teams wear different numbers during the offseason so that conference opponents can't get a leg up on tracking who you need to worry about at the plate.
 

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