'? and over' age brackets?

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Wanted to throw this out there to get your thoughts. What would be the positives and negatives to having age brackets for example;

12 & over

14 & over

16 & over

with the ceiling at 18?


I have observed and now often hear 12U & 14U teams handily beating 18U teams and wonder what it my play out like if these brackets were a reality?

Age difference, safety, maturity, I get it, just want to get your perspective. Thanks


Chris
 

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Chris,
JoeA can probably elaborate on this in more detail. I'm pretty sure he has a law degree. You can possibly be opening yourself up to a major law suit. For example, if an 18 year old girl runs a 12 year old over at home plate and breaks her neck, you probably just lost your house, car, bank account and wont be coaching again. You would surely get charged with negligence. (putting a girl under your supervision in possible danger) There are several court cases where similar things have happened.
 

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For most tournaments, nothing says you can't play your team upwards in the age brackets but you can't play down. Around here it used to be common practice for "elite" or what we refer to as "A" teams to play up during the summer, then qualify and play within their age bracket for high priority tourneys.
 

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Chris,
You can possibly be opening yourself up to a major law suit.

How? This is no different than having a girl play "up" and get run over by an older girl.

If the girl's parents know the risk and still want to take the chance, they're going to do it either way.
 

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How? This is no different than having a girl play "up" and get run over by an older girl.

If the girl's parents know the risk and still want to take the chance, they're going to do it either way.
The difference is not having an age group available without 18yo players versus choosing to play up against them.
 

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The OP essentially gives older players the option of how far they want to play down. People get upset now when age-eligible players/teams stay down in the fall instead of moving up - this would be exponentially worse. It would bring trophy hunting to new lows.

I have seen some suggestions to put minimum ages on age groups, especially in showcases (e.g. 14yo/frosh) to curb early recruiting.
 
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Wanted to throw this out there to get your thoughts. What would be the positives and negatives to having age brackets for example;

12 & over

14 & over

16 & over

with the ceiling at 18?


I have observed and now often hear 12U & 14U teams handily beating 18U teams and wonder what it my play out like if these brackets were a reality?

Age difference, safety, maturity, I get it, just want to get your perspective. Thanks


Chris

I think I understand what your thinking - and in fact it wouldn't be any diffrent than having a 16U team with 12 and 14 year olds on it or a 14U team plaing up at 16's or 18's - so I don't see any need to change the structure.

For the most part - the diffrence between Second year 14's and 18's if fairly minor and older 14's could compeate with 18u teams which is why Teams play up.
14U players compete with 18U players everyday in highschool ball.

Also - Not sure about 12U teams playing up and beating 18U teams that would be tough even for a 12U Elite team to beat an 18U rec team. Sounds like the old "Alabama could beat the Jets" argument.
 
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Wanted to throw this out there to get your thoughts. What would be the positives and negatives to having age brackets for example;

12 & over

14 & over

16 & over

with the ceiling at 18?


I have observed and now often hear 12U & 14U teams handily beating 18U teams and wonder what it my play out like if these brackets were a reality?

Age difference, safety, maturity, I get it, just want to get your perspective. Thanks


Chris

Having open age tournaments or leagues has been around for years. I remember a fall league we played in at 11U that was an open format so we had games vs. 14,16 and 18U teams so, It is not new with younger ladies playing with older players. Some of the smaller High schools will have middle school ladies on a varsity roster so you could see 12/13 year old players on the same field as 17/18s.

A lot of fall leagues and some of the summer leagues will blend 10s/12s-the stronger 12s with 14s or offer 14 and over divisions. When we were playing showcase ball it was not uncommon for teams to have 3 or 4 grad years on their roster especially; at the larger events.

We have been playing the Keith Carver Memorial since 2007 in Maysville Ky. The first three years the TD broke it up with age divisions 10,12,14,16,18 and sanctioned play ASA. The TD made the switch to an open format in 2010 and he uses KHSAA and DIII Umpires that basically donate their time for the memorial. These changes made the tournament a much stronger event.

The TD uses two divisions of play; one High School Division that can have high school teams, 14U, 16U,18U travel teams although the strong 18s choose to play open.

Some of the 14s and HS teams can have 12/13 year old players on their roster. Each team signs a waiver prior to play and must show proof of insurance for any team under 18U.
The other division is a "true open" with college teams/players from D1 to NAIA, 16U-18U-18O or adult travel teams.
The TD will not allow full teams of 14s or HS teams to play in the open division to keep the level of play balanced and to avoid injury. The speed of the open game is much faster than most HS players or teams of 14s are used to playing even if they have one or two stud players.

The tournament has had some 16s play open over the years that held their own one finishing 2nd back in 2010 vs. teams made up of strong D1 and D2 college talent. So, the younger ladies can have the skill needed to compete with today,s additional personal coaches/trainers some 12s/13s/14s are as strong or stronger players than their older counterparts.
 
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I think I understand what your thinking - and in fact it wouldn't be any diffrent than having a 16U team with 12 and 14 year olds on it or a 14U team plaing up at 16's or 18's - so I don't see any need to change the structure.

For the most part - the diffrence between Second year 14's and 18's if fairly minor and older 14's could compeate with 18u teams which is why Teams play up.
14U players compete with 18U players everyday in highschool ball.

Also - Not sure about 12U teams playing up and beating 18U teams that would be tough even for a 12U Elite team to beat an 18U rec team. Sounds like the old "Alabama could beat the Jets" argument.


I believe the old Ohio Hawks Kepple team did this years ago and held their own. I know for a fact they beat my DD's 16U team at the time, and they were not rec league. That was a special group.
 

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