another scorebook question - sorry

[RRB2]

The situation is runners on 1st and 3rd. Runner on 1st takes off on the pitch, catcher throws the ball to the ss covering 2nd, the runner just stops. The runner on 3rd had a big lead and runs to home, so the ss throws it home, it is a bad throw in the dirt and gets past the catcher, so she is safe, IMO would have been safe regardless. Meanwhile the runner from 1st runs to 3rd and slide in as a throw is made and she is safe. So does anyone get credit for a stolen base or an error or is there any other score it?

FYI, I am the book keeper for the offensive team and the father of the base runner that started on 1st.

 

[cobb_of_fury]

My guess with out being there: Runner on 1b gets credit for a stolen base 3b runner took home on the throw and 1B runner took 3B on the error

 

[mike_dyer]

Having a kid on the team puts you in a spot.

I wouldn't want to do it.

This is how high school stats seem to go. If you like the kid or if she is struggling every time they put the ball in play it's a hit. If you don 't like the kid or she does well they have to make the ball do tricks to get anything out of any at bat.

 

[Passion4theGame]

I feel the same as Cobb on this one.

 

[coachjwb]

If in your judgment the runner on 3rd would have been safe without the bad throw, she would get a stolen base, as would the runner on 1st for going to 2nd ... though her advancement to 3rd would be via an error on the throw.

And I have seen this play happen more than once!!

 

[softballmom2000]

If in your judgment the runner on 3rd would have been safe without the bad throw, she would get a stolen base, as would the runner on 1st for going to 2nd ... though her advancement to 3rd would be via an error on the throw.

And I have seen this play happen more than once!!

This would be how I would score it.

 

[Heavy Hitter]

If in your judgment the runner on 3rd would have been safe without the bad throw, she would get a stolen base, as would the runner on 1st for going to 2nd ... though her advancement to 3rd would be via an error on the throw.

And I have seen this play happen more than once!!

This my understanding as well.

 

[Hilliarddad3]

I wouldn't give runner on third a stolen base as it was a choice by the catcher to throw to second, she could have thrown to third. Runner that started the mess gets one stolen base.... But that's just my mind at work

 

[Fairman]

Since every action on the field is recorded in the scorebook the runner to third has to be explained.
The runner can't just magically appear at third.
An SB would explain it best if no error was committed.

 

[happytobeme]

I love reading the scorebook questions, their answers and the analysis! No need to apologize for asking, please continue to do it!

 

[SoCal_Dad]

An SB would explain it best if no error was committed.

They're interrelated - OP said a good throw to home wouldn't have gotten the runner, so the bad throw is only an error if it allowed another runner to advance. If the runner advanced to 3B after seeing the throw got past the catcher, runner got to 3B on E6.

 

[SoCal_Dad]

OP's case is complicated with the defense changing course and R2 advancing an additional base. It seems R2 reached 2B via FC since she was stopped and advanced when the defense made the throw home. It sounds like R1 didn't break for home until F2 made the throw. Here are some applicable NCAA rules.

14.15 Stolen Base Not Credited
14.15.1 A stolen base is not credited to a base runner who advances to a base with the aid of a safe hit, putout, error, force, fielder?s choice, illegal pitch, wild pitch, base on balls, hit batter, passed ball, interference, obstruction, or defensive indifference.
14.15.2 A stolen base is not credited to a base runner as a result of defensive indifference...
14.15.3 A stolen base is not credited to any base runner when any other base runner is thrown out on an attempted double or triple steal.
Exceptions:
1. On a double-steal attempt, with base runners on first and third bases, credit the base runner from first base with a stolen base if she advances on an unsuccessful but legitimate attempt made to put her out at second base, and the base runner at third base is thrown out at home plate on a continuous play.
2. With base runners on first and third bases, credit a stolen base to the base runner advancing to second base even if the initial throw is not to second base. The base runner must show the intent to steal.
3. With base runners on first and third bases, credit a stolen base to the base runner advancing to home plate even if the initial throw is not to third base. The base runner must show the intent to steal.

 

[josie]

The situation is runners on 1st and 3rd. Runner on 1st takes off on the pitch, catcher throws the ball to the ss covering 2nd, the runner just stops. The runner on 3rd had a big lead and runs to home, so the ss throws it home, it is a bad throw in the dirt and gets past the catcher, so she is safe, IMO would have been safe regardless. Meanwhile the runner from 1st runs to 3rd and slide in as a throw is made and she is safe. So does anyone get credit for a stolen base or an error or is there any other score it?

FYI, I am the book keeper for the offensive team and the father of the base runner that started on 1st.

Here's my opinion. 1) It doesn't matter if you are dad or not. It is what it is. 2) Runner on 1st gets a stolen base. Runner at 3rd advances and scores on the throw to 2nd. Runner advances to 3rd on an error-overthrow to home.

I like these types of questions. My daughter's team did not need a score keeper this year and I miss it! I kept the books for my older kids teams for years.

 

[KillingMeSmalls]

If runner on 3rd was going to make it home regardless credit them with a stolen base. Don't see how you can give the runner on first a stolen base when they stopped short of the bag and only advanced on the throw...and subsequent error allowing them to advance to third.

 

[Heavy Hitter]

Runer on 1st sb to second advance to 3rd on error. Runner on third sb to home

 

[JoeA1010]

If runner on 3rd was going to make it home regardless credit them with a stolen base. Don't see how you can give the runner on first a stolen base when they stopped short of the bag and only advanced on the throw...and subsequent error allowing them to advance to third.

I agree with this one. If the runner on first had kept running without a stop, she would get an SB, but her stop changes her intent, which was not to steal, but to get into a rundown. I'd score this exactly as KillingMeSmalls has it.

 

[FPDAD03]

I agree with KillingMeSmalls. Runner on 1st advances to 2nd on a FC and to 3rd on an error. Runner on 3rd gets credit for a stolen base.

 

[spartansd]

I would say that the runner going to home gets a stolen base.

The one going to 2nd is safe via defensive indifference (not sure if that is a stolen base) and then goes to 3rd on the error.