ASA Bat Testing Standards

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I'm sure somebody in here can explain this one to me. My understanding of the new ASA bat testing procedures (simplified) are basicly that an air cannon fires a ball at a stationary bat at a given speed. The ball exit speed is measured off the bat and cannot exceed 98mph. I have learned that they are now testing composite bats in a "broken in" state which is 1000 simulated hits. My question is this: If a ball bounces off bat "X" at 98mph($300), and the ball bounces off bat "Y" at 98mph ($125), why would anyone want to buy bat "X"? Lets assume in this arguement that both bats are the same basic construction (aluminum or composite, balanced or end loaded)

 

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I'm sure somebody in here can explain this one to me. My understanding of the new ASA bat testing procedures (simplified) are basicly that an air cannon fires a ball at a stationary bat at a given speed. The ball exit speed is measured off the bat and cannot exceed 98mph. I have learned that they are now testing composite bats in a "broken in" state which is 1000 simulated hits. My question is this: If a ball bounces off bat "X" at 98mph($300), and the ball bounces off bat "Y" at 98mph ($125), why would anyone want to buy bat "X"? Lets assume in this arguement that both bats are the same basic construction (aluminum or composite, balanced or end loaded)

Because Y bat wont have an exit speed of 98mph. (Unless it is an older model of new bat that wasnt sold, then its price is marked down).

 

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Because Y bat wont have an exit speed of 98mph. (Unless it is an older model of new bat that wasnt sold, then its price is marked down).

Correct, the "98 mph" certification just says it doesn't exit faster than 98 mph, bat Y may be at 89 mph

 

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I think what the original poster is getting at is if they both test the same, why would you spend the extra money on the "X" bat? The bat manufacturers will be looking for you lol......

 

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I'm sure somebody in here can explain this one to me. My understanding of the new ASA bat testing procedures (simplified) are basicly that an air cannon fires a ball at a stationary bat at a given speed. The ball exit speed is measured off the bat and cannot exceed 98mph. I have learned that they are now testing composite bats in a "broken in" state which is 1000 simulated hits. My question is this: If a ball bounces off bat "X" at 98mph($300), and the ball bounces off bat "Y" at 98mph ($125), why would anyone want to buy bat "X"? Lets assume in this arguement that both bats are the same basic construction (aluminum or composite, balanced or end loaded)

http://downloads.asasoftball.com/about/pdf/03_Updated_FAQs.pdf

This link is for frequently asked questions so you may find it helpful.

 

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From everything I can find on the net is that most composite bats have had to be re-engineered to get down below the 98mph mark. That is why certain bats that are still legal, but are "hotter" than the new 98mph standard are in high demand and commanding a large price tag. I cannot find anywhere results from an ASA test. I would love to see how a new Rocketech compares to a 2005 yellow catalyst for example. I can't imagine that the companies put extra engineering into a bat that costs less just to make sure that the ball jumps off at 94 mph as opposed to the "super high tech" model they produce that has been dummied down in engineering over the years to get under 98 mph. Just a few years ago, 98 mph after break-in would have been a mediocre bat. There has to be somewhere that tests bats and provides results (probably for a fee), I just cannot find it on the net.

 

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I think what the original poster is getting at is if they both test the same, why would you spend the extra money on the "X" bat? The bat manufacturers will be looking for you lol......

Thats pretty much where I was going, I just can't find any data to support my theory.

 

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Theres a thread on here somewhere where I had a running argument with Anderson bat company that tried to tell me the 2010 bats had the same ball exit speed as the 04/05 R/T............. after arguing the fact for a week back and forth and asking time and again for the Information I was finaly told it was a wives tale and urban legend and my kid just liked the bat because of the color, No way will they ever release that information......... it will prove to the general public that all bats are the same within a mile of one another, then the part about the color of the bat will be true

Tim

 

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Theres a thread on here somewhere where I had a running argument with Anderson bat company that tried to tell me the 2010 bats had the same ball exit speed as the 04/05 R/T............. after arguing the fact for a week back and forth and asking time and again for the Information I was finaly told it was a wives tale and urban legend and my kid just liked the bat because of the color, No way will they ever release that information......... it will prove to the general public that all bats are the same within a mile of one another, then the part about the color of the bat will be true

Tim

But the 2010 RT is still a better bat than the pink Finch Mizuno at walmart, right?

 

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But the 2010 RT is still a better bat than the pink Finch Mizuno at walmart, right?

We all know Tim likes pink, but he is not swinging the bat
:lmao:

 

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We all know Tim likes pink, but he is not swinging the bat
:lmao:

Just giving him a hard time. We know how he is about his R/T's.

 

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Theres a thread on here somewhere where I had a running argument with Anderson bat company that tried to tell me the 2010 bats had the same ball exit speed as the 04/05 R/T............. after arguing the fact for a week back and forth and asking time and again for the Information I was finaly told it was a wives tale and urban legend and my kid just liked the bat because of the color, No way will they ever release that information......... it will prove to the general public that all bats are the same within a mile of one another, then the part about the color of the bat will be true

Tim

Thats what I was getting at as well. Im guessing it is a huge secret that you would have to kill in order to get it out of these companies. There is no way that the bats today are as hot as they were 4-5+ years ago. All the companies were scrambling to make sure they could make the 98mph standard. Being the parent of a pitcher, I'm really ok with that by the way. I just wondered if I'm an idiot for getting her a new Catalyst every couple years, when the $100 Mendoza would do just as well.

cjs- funny post at Tim's expense btw. I think we should start work on an air cannon in your garage to test bats with. You have a compressor in there, I can steal the pipe and fittings off a job somewhere. We could get all happy on Christmas ale and Cuervo and start firing optic yellow cannonballs over your neighbors houses! No matter what, the pictures and stories that we could post would make us OFC God's! lol

 

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Thats what I was getting at as well. Im guessing it is a huge secret that you would have to kill in order to get it out of these companies. There is no way that the bats today are as hot as they were 4-5+ years ago. All the companies were scrambling to make sure they could make the 98mph standard. Being the parent of a pitcher, I'm really ok with that by the way. I just wondered if I'm an idiot for getting her a new Catalyst every couple years, when the $100 Mendoza would do just as well.

cjs- funny post at Tim's expense btw. I think we should start work on an air cannon in your garage to test bats with. You have a compressor in there, I can steal the pipe and fittings off a job somewhere. We could get all happy on Christmas ale and Cuervo and start firing optic yellow cannonballs over your neighbors houses! No matter what, the pictures and stories that we could post would make us OFC God's! lol

Why do I see a horible industrial accident about to happen,,,,,,,,, at the very least an example of what happens when one redneck yells at another,,,,,,,,,,,, hey yall watch this.... remember to shoot the balls at the bats, not the bats thru the walls:lmao:

 

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Omg, that really painted a picture for me!
I could see how the data sheets would read: "The '09 Rocketech is a well built bat. Said bat was loaded into the Christeve XG1000 Wampum bat tester. Safety glasses were donned, and the machine was ramped up to 385psi. The bat shot out of the testing equipment at a ridiculous speed. The bat went clean through the garage wall, a laundry basket, took out a leg on the stationary tub, killed the cat, through an outside load bearing wall, and lodged in a Japanese Maple tree.
Once Steve and Chris recovered from laughing their rear ends off, they make a toast to the cat and loaded a '10 Miken Rain into the tester. The machine was re-aligned and the test was repeated. This bat went out the garage door, broke the light post, skipped twice on the street, made the neighbors dog a eunuch, then lodged in the rear quarter panel of a '85 Dodge K car.
We were unable to make a determination of the Miken bats status after testing as the owner of the K car was a bit miffed and armed with a shotgun.
Our recomendation....'09 R/T:lmao:

 

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But thank god Chris And STEVE were sitting on the Infamous Bucket seat for additional protection and to help keep the lid down tight on the bucket which also acted as a mini cooloer to hold the beers,,,http://cgi.ebay.com/Baseball-Softba...66:2|39:1|72:1205|240:1307|301:1|293:1|294:50

 

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Omg, that really painted a picture for me!
I could see how the data sheets would read: "The '09 Rocketech is a well built bat. Said bat was loaded into the Christeve XG1000 Wampum bat tester. Safety glasses were donned, and the machine was ramped up to 385psi. The bat shot out of the testing equipment at a ridiculous speed. The bat went clean through the garage wall, a laundry basket, took out a leg on the stationary tub, killed the cat, through an outside load bearing wall, and lodged in a Japanese Maple tree.
Once Steve and Chris recovered from laughing their rear ends off, they make a toast to the cat and loaded a '10 Miken Rain into the tester. The machine was re-aligned and the test was repeated. This bat went out the garage door, broke the light post, skipped twice on the street, made the neighbors dog a eunuch, then lodged in the rear quarter panel of a '85 Dodge K car.
We were unable to make a determination of the Miken bats status after testing as the owner of the K car was a bit miffed and armed with a shotgun.
Our recomendation....'09 R/T:lmao:

my bet is this realy happend............. you cant write stuff that funny

 

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But thank god Chris And STEVE were sitting on the Infamous Bucket seat for additional protection and to help keep the lid down tight on the bucket which also acted as a mini cooloer to hold the beers,,,http://cgi.ebay.com/Baseball-Softba...66:2|39:1|72:1205|240:1307|301:1|293:1|294:50

Hey man,
If Candrea can use the dang thing, it must be ok!

 

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my bet is this realy happend............. you cant write stuff that funny

I forgot I wanted to make the 85 K car up on blocks because we are in Parma!
I was laughing as I was writing it, almost woke everyone up!