Well, the umpires figuring that out while the play was happening or even immediately afterwards... instead of this " I should have" blah, blah, blah. .. after the game was over... would have been nice.
I would have asked both.. did you see an extra ball on the field during the play ?
One "yes" and now we got rules to go by ... should be your next thought.
If both said, "No" ... then you have to wonder why at the end of the play.. when pointed out by yourself to one of the umpires the ball laying there in play AS WE SPEAK.... and this is why my runner at third came towards home.... and this situation made an unfair advantage and obviously I would not have sent her to home ... let
ALONE the other bench threw the ball in play from their dugout ( which is probally an honest mistake as SOME coaches think the play is over to early sometimes and do that innocently )
And if those umpires after the play is immediately over.. and when pointed out the
FACT there is a ball on the field of play... don't rule on common sense and really the rule of the extra ball... because I would ... after being pointed out about the ball being on the field.
And lets say the distance is 8ft from catcher for one ball and 13 feet for the other ball ( assuming the coach's argument is that he was going by this ball for his and his player decision making process of continuing home) ... you have to go within reason as an umpire and making the game "fair". I do know that is true in USSSA
But, truthfully, we have an umpire... when immediately after the play at home ... he is pointed out by the coach of the second ball..... I would say he would have to call "dead ball" and send the runners back to second and third.
Truthfully, if you have an umpire that didn't call dead ball... I would ask for a "protest" and get the UIC to explain the facts and ask for his rules decision.
a) second ball on the field in backstop area
b) not seen by either umpire during the play
c) but seen by plate umpire when I pointed it out to him immediately after the play was over
d) told umpire "
I made my decision to send runner home based on the "illegal" ball's distance away from the catcher"
I want to be there for the gesture made by the UIC at this point
:lmao:
But, the UIC should ask both umpires if what was said was true and the fact that a second ball was in play and was pointed out by a coach after the conclusion of the play.... and they saw this when pointed out...
One yes.. and it should be called dead ball based on a second ball on the field of play.
Question is: Did the coach CALMLY approach the umpire with his argument. Real big point is did the coach point out the ball immediately to the umpire like " Hey, this ball is on the field" and make the umpire look and see
it IMMEDIATELY at the conclusion of the play
To me, here is the argument.. was it pointed out by the coach to the plate umpire and seen immediately after the play concluded.
I mean, as an umpire you are watching the play and may not have seen the ball
rolled towards the backstop . Hopefully you didn't see it as a plate umpire. Last thing in the world I am looking at really.. but if when told withing seconds of a second ball on the field during the time of play and the umpire admits he turned and saw the second ball...
I would have to say the UIC would have to call dead ball and send the runners back
It's all in the presentation coaches.. and personally if the field umpire was doing his job and in the vicinity of third base following the runner... if that ball was obviously within sight of base umpire.. I would have tried to get his attention and point it out to him with his visual sight on the ball immediately after the play.... and hopefully it soooo great of a view of the second ball for the ump on the field .. that he walks towards the plate umpire to inform him of the extra ball on the field he saw and while walking.. me as the coach saying I based my girl going home, blah, blah" CALMLY two steps behind him all the way to the plate ;&.. you done your job as a third base coach.
Say nothing, if your girls scores :lmao: :lmao: ;&