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13 yr 5'4" 140 30/20 Synergy and 32/20.5 Synergy Extended prefers the 32" now that she has grown a littl
15 yr. 5'6" 150 32/23 Rocket Tech; 33/23 Halo and 33/25 Halo. - Changes depending on pitcher/pitch speed, etc.
 
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DD is 12 - 5'2" 130 lbs and swings a 32/22 Anderson Techzilla and a 32/20 Demarini Vendetta.

Len
 
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Really bold statement having never seen my dd swing a bat and I am just picking myself since she is swinging heavier than your statement.
 
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My dd swings a 31/21 RT she is 97lbs and 5'1" Her hitting Coach had us move up an ounce last season. She's in second year of 14U.
 
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My dd swings a 31/21 RT she is 97lbs and 5'1" Her hitting Coach had us move up an ounce last season. She's in second year of 14U.


I think for most girls 14 and under an ounce makes a difference. I would error on the side of light.



Straightleg
 
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I agree, she has had the 31/21 for about a year now and really didn't start using it all the time until this last fall. She got around on the lighter bat a lot better at first but she has used the new one indoors for about 6 months now and I think her muscle memory is where it should be with it now. I don't know if its the bat or 4 years private batting instruction but she has really been hitting the ball nicely. Maybe a little of both.
 
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Really bold statement having never seen my dd swing a bat and I am just picking myself since she is swinging heavier than your statement.

I wasnt picking on you...Just depends on the competition of the pitchers your dd is facing. I will leave it at that....and yes, I would love to see a clip of her swinging.
 
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Didn't think you were picking on me but don't hold your breath waiting on that clip. As a general rule the Buckeye Heat org plays at high level tournies looking for the best comp.
 
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bh2424gh, dd has a good hitting coach, same as mine ,Bouldersdad, Straightleg, Lady_Knight and a bunch have. She has a good swing and I'm sure hitter has her swinging the correct bat.
 
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SB , Thanks. I am not worried she was fine at Spano and faced the girls from valley Extreme. Maybe Beck63 will say if their pitchers are of "quality" dd thought so.
 
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From a book, Keep Your Eye on The Ball by Bahall and Watts

They use a formula from a program called Bat Chooser

I recommend reading the entire chapter however hopefully you get the point.

For fast pitch soft ball only

Note: Recommended bat weight is in ounces, age in years, height in inches and weight in pounds

height/ 7 + 15

example 5' 5" 5 x 12 = 60 + 5 = 65 inches divide by 7 = 9.28 + 15 = 24.28 oz.

The concept for me when teaching hitting is to put the sweet part of the bat on the ball as consistently as possible to generate maximum force.

This goes to f = M A force = mass (bat weight) x (acceleration bat speed)

If you have a good hand path established you should be able to hit the sweet spot more often.

From the book, The Physics of Baseball by Robert K. Adair, PhD

"Such modeling is simplified by the realization that a player swings a bat very much as he would a weight on the end of a rope; to a very good approximation, the forces on the bat exerted through the hands are directed along the axis of the bat. Hence, if the motion of the hands is known throughout the swing, motion of the bat can be determined."

"To this we add the (very plausible) condition that no player can swing a heavy bat faster than he could a light bat. And we hold that no player can put more energy into a light bat than into a heavy bat."

"If we assume that the arc of the hands-and bat- is the same for a light or heavy bat, the larger force that it is possible to apply to the more slowly moving heavy bat will result in a larger energy transfer to the bat."

So we focus on using a good hand path and matching the plane of the pitch and staying in the Big Zone by giving the hitter the concept of keeping the hands inside the path of the ball.

When working with a student for the first time I set up a Schutt travel tee exactly 11 inches off the plate at the outside back corner of home plate and they measure off from home plate and I chalk a straight line (line of force) that they stride forward. We want to make sure they did not step away or towards the plate. Most can not even come close however after the lesson we repeat and they can do it and they are surprised.

Chip Mike said he saw you in Florida at the NFCA and you saw the WhipHit and we have been using this for three years now along with the hammer bat. This is how we focus on putting the sweet part of the bat on the ball as it is only 2.5 inches in diameter. I do not know of any other drills or devices that gives the hitter instant feedback while doing the drills.

Once the hand path is established we measure bat speed and the hitter chooses what bat works well for them as to end loaded, knob loaded or balanced.

Hope this helps...
 
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SB , Thanks. I am not worried she was fine at Spano and faced the girls from valley Extreme. Maybe Beck63 will say if their pitchers are of "quality" dd thought so.


That is great. In my experience a 125 lb 13y/o doesnt swing 24-25 ounce bat. I am glad it is working out for you.
 
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(If we assume that the arc of the hands-and bat- is the same for a light or heavy bat, the larger force that it is possible to apply to the more slowly moving heavy bat will result in a larger energy transfer to the bat.")

I am not diagreeing with any of that, but the ave mom and dad does not have this type of experience with technique and the tools to mesure bat speed,
therefore I believe most girls would be better served with a lighter bat as they would not be able to be professionally fitted.
 
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(If we assume that the arc of the hands-and bat- is the same for a light or heavy bat, the larger force that it is possible to apply to the more slowly moving heavy bat will result in a larger energy transfer to the bat.")

I am not diagreeing with any of that, but the ave mom and dad does not have this type of experience with technique and the tools to mesure bat speed,
therefore I believe most girls would be better served with a lighter bat as they would not be able to be professionally fitted.

Coach I totally agree with what you are saying and that unless known lighter would be better to error on the side of caution.

Which is why I often ask the parents why did you buy X ended load bat?

And why does she choke up on the bat?

Because Sally the Swat uses it and hits home runs with it so I figure my kid could do it!
 
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Coach I totally agree with what you are saying and that unless known lighter would be better to error on the side of caution.

Which is why I often ask the parents why did you buy X ended load bat?

And why does she choke up on the bat?

Because Sally the Swat uses it and hits home runs with it so I figure my kid could do it!


Hey Howard,

I just ordered Kristina the Demarini CF3 balanced -10 22/32 yestrday and am now worried based on what you have said that it may be the wrong bat size for her...maybe too small? Could you take a look at her sometime to help her and I to figure out what bat size would be best for her?

Thanks,

Sonny
 
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From a book, Keep Your Eye on The Ball by Bahall and Watts

They use a formula from a program called Bat Chooser

I recommend reading the entire chapter however hopefully you get the point.

For fast pitch soft ball only

Note: Recommended bat weight is in ounces, age in years, height in inches and weight in pounds

height/ 7 + 15

example 5' 5" 5 x 12 = 60 + 5 = 65 inches divide by 7 = 9.28 + 15 = 24.28 oz.

The concept for me when teaching hitting is to put the sweet part of the bat on the ball as consistently as possible to generate maximum force.

This goes to f = M A force = mass (bat weight) x (acceleration bat speed)

If you have a good hand path established you should be able to hit the sweet spot more often.


Howard

I assume this calculation is calculating swing weight and not bat weight. Am I correct in this assumption?

Len
 
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It doesnt really matter the size of the DD as long as she swings the heaviest possible bat she can effectively get around to hit the ball,effectively being the key.She has to be able to swing fast enough to get on plane with the pitch.I have coached a girl who stood 5'3' and swung a 33 25 Schutt and could flat out swing. Not the Bow Arrow it was the indian.
 
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Howard

I assume this calculation is calculating swing weight and not bat weight. Am I correct in this assumption?

Len

It is for choosing a suggested bat weight for the player only and nothing to do with actual swing weight....look under Dr. Russell at Kettering U. There is a lot of information in that one site and probably more than any site I have run across on bat weight, swing weight , MOI etc.

The Bat Chooser System uses a light beam you trigger while actually swinging the bat and this is his data and formula he is calculating from using the data. Again there is a lot more to the why he arrived at it however according to his studies this is where Arizona started to make its move as this is where he was teaching at the time. They started using lighter bats around 1994 - 1996 if I remember correctly. If you Google Bat Chooser and Keep Your Eye on the Ball there is a picture of the machine itself with him swinging the bat.

Worth has advice for choosing a bat that has the player hold the bat with their dominate hand straight out from them for 30 seconds and see if you can hold it level without it dropping or your arm shaking.
 
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The easiest way way to see it is watch the swing and if you dont have BAT LAG ( where your back elbow passes up your hands) you most likely can handle the weight.
I have seen it with the high school girls trying to use these monster bats we have.
their hips and elbow are trying so hard to pull the weight of the heavy bat thrue that they pass up the hands and the bat head never gets out front
 

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