Crazy coach or crazy umpire?

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Ok, I thought I could let this go but it's driving me crazy.

I coach a local middle school club team. At best we are average, in my opinion. We had an away game last night and from the start it went down hill between the umpire and myself.

First, the game started almost 20 minutes late because the umpire was late. Second, top of the first we (both teams) had to correct the umpires count...twice, on two different batters. Third, when my pitcher took the mound he came to me and said she had to remove her ear rings. My bad! I know the rule and completely missed it. He was nice enough just to have her remove them. So far, so good.

Next, and this is where it really turned, we had a play at home where the home team had a runner coming home. The runner stepped over my catchers glove with her front foot but we tagged her back foot before she touched the plate. He called her safe. Now, in no disrespectful way did I do it, but I questioned his call. He immediately came over to the fence offering me the clicker and asked me if I wanted to make the calls. I said "If I have to, then yes." Maybe I shouldn't have but, I did.

At this point I knew it was not going to be a good evening and I let it go. Two full innings later, the umpire came to me and said I was being disrespectul and a bad sport. He again asked me if I wanted to do his job and told me to stop giving him "shi#". I told him "I don't want your job and would never want it. I couldn't handle it." He then complained to me about how much he was getting paid and that's why schools have a hard time getting umpires. I was told by one of our parents that he also called me a smart a$$ but I didn't hear that.

Needless to say, the attitude from Blue continued throughout the game. He gave the home team a hard time as well for no reason. I let it go. Never questioned anything the remainder of the game and lived with it. After the game (8 long innings in which we lost) as the girls were shaking hands, I approached blue with my outreached hand to shake his and apologize. He walked by me and told me I was a bad sport and teaching the girls bad sportsmanship. He didn't even attempt to shake my hand. As he left the field, he was yelling how he had a bad day before the game. He also would not talk to the home team coach or shake his hand and began to argue with one of my parents. My girls had no idea how to react because after every game, I have them shake the umpires hand as well.

Now, as I said, I have no plans to ever become an umpire. I may not like the calls they make but I do respect them. I have questioned hundreds of calls in my coaching "career" and have never had an umpire react like that.

I did apologize to my girls, my parents, and the other teams coach for whatever I did to cause the stressful game.

Where I am struggling with this entire experience is should I have done something different? How could I have avoided this entire situation, or could I?

Thanks for your honest feedback.
 
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Every once in a while we get an umpire like that. I try to keep to myself, stay as far away from him/her as I can and keep my mouth shut regardless of how bat he/she gets, I know I will only make it worse for my girls. There's always a few teams, coaches, players, or umpires that make things miserable.....you just have to let it roll off your back, finish the game as quickly as you can and hope you don't have him/her the next one!!!
 
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Yeah, that happens every once in a while, and I think Julie is right about that being the best way to handle it. Unfortunately, that can be very difficult to do. Twice (in I won't say exactly how long of a coaching career!), I have come close to being thrown out of a game for trying to stand up to a bully umpire. The one time was in a high school game, and I know I made it worse for our team and always felt bad about it. But the other time was in an ASA Eastern Regionals, and I was fortunate to have the opposing coach come up and support me, and the umpire to apologize and relax the rest of the game. Oh, I should probably say, we lost both games. :)
 
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One thing I've learned if the ump missed a call ,whatever it was, a runner missing a base, or an out or safe call , even if the fielder dropped the ball trapped a ball on a catch...99% of the time I will not approach the ump if he is the only Ump, I have never changed his mind with what I saw that he missed. As a spectator I have seen a call get reversed when a coach challenged an out, for a batted ball by a batter that stepped out of the box and was called out , the ump changed the call because the coach argued that there were no batterbox lines ....needless to say the other coach went ballistic and almost got thrown out of the game. Young ump at a 14u rec game , Im sure a lesson learned for blue!
 
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In school ball, there is nothing to be gained by getting into a sparing match with an umpire. You and your team will be labeled and will suffer for years.
The pool of umpires is very small and they all talk. You will see that guy again, or his brother.

You were wrong to make a big deal out of judgement call, it didn't help with the calls and it likely took your team out of the game as it gave them an excuse to fail.

You can respectively approach an umpire and ask what he saw and then respectfully ask that he asks the field ump to become involved. He doesn't have to, so don't get irritated if he refuses. Get a grip on your emotions. After a bad call I take a walk down the left field line and get my emotions under control before I approach the umpire. Sometimes the umpire was actually right.
 
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Thanks fairman. I just want to make it clear that in no way was I disrespectful to Blue. And, since it was a middle school club game, we only had one umpire. I simply stated we tagged her foot before she touched the plate and he apparently was annoyed by that. I tried to let it go from there. I didn't question anything from that point forward.

I agree though, you don't have anything to gain by getting in to a "sparing match" with Blue.
 
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I've drawn the conclusion that middle school games get the rookie umps. In my daughter's game last night the FU made 4 calls before the play even happened!

The guy you described was extremely unprofessional. Probably a rookie and probably won't be umpiring next season.
 
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Just remember usually middle school games get the rookies and veterans are reserved for varsity games.Grin and Bear it.Monday our ump announced it was his 1st game ever.Kind of funny when batter fouled one into the stands,ump gets down behind the catcher ready for next pitch then eventually pitcher had to ask for a ball.Not hating on the guy he's just a rookie.I have also learned in middle school-don't look for walks,BIG strike zones which I understand.Some games would never end if the zone were any smaller.
 
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We had an away game last night and from the start it went down hill between the umpire and myself.

This shouldn't be about the umpire and yourself. It should be about your girls. If the fans notice game officials and coaches more than the players then something is wrong.

Now, in no disrespectful way did I do it, but I questioned his call. He immediately came over to the fence offering me the clicker and asked me if I wanted to make the calls. I said "If I have to, then yes." Maybe I shouldn't have but, I did.

Of course you shouldn't have said that. Nothing good was going to come of it. Right or wrong, all you did was escalate the situation and make it more difficult for your girls. When they hear you as a coach and a role model react that way to an umpire, how can you expect them to act any differently?

Where I am struggling with this entire experience is should I have done something different? How could I have avoided this entire situation, or could I?

Having had the opportunity to sleep on it, I suspect you know the answer to your own question. You're an adult and a person your girls are supposed to look up to. You let them down by the way you acted. Instead of making a less than ideal situation better, you escalated it and made it worse. Of course you could have avoided the whole situation. If you felt that the umpire did or said things that were wrong, then go through proper channels to report him to those in charge of your league. Don't cause a scene, make the game about you, or cause problems for your girls.
 
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As a norm, when there is only one blue. I give him or her a lot of room for error. It's hard watching the whole field. But I'm going to tell you, the other night we had one of the worst. Visitor girl stole second and was tagged by our SS. Blue called her out. Other team coach yelled she dropped the ball. She did, but he could not see it. He ruled her safe. Came over to our bench and said he did not see the ball dropped because our pitcher blocked his view. he was going on what the other coaches viewed. Even though the right call was made, it was made for the wrong reason. We all could give many examples, but they do have a rough job. But even if there is only one, they still have to go by what THEY saw. That's all I ask.
 
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All of us have been there-done that, much to my embarrassment.
Had an ump that didn't know the plate was fair and call my bunter back for a foul ball, when the ball was lying on the plate.
I couldn't form a coherent sentence.
I try not to loss my mind and have been recently much more successful to my great relief.
Learn and move on. It's the next pitch that counts.
You'll be alright.
 
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Thank you backstop09...points taken.

No problem. It takes a big person to seek constructive criticism in such a public forum. Just based on the fact that you asked for feedback, I suspect you will handle a similar situation differently the next time.
 
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Monday night, our pitcher hit a batter in the foot with a 40+MPH pitch. The ball stopped in the batter's box, the batter accidentally kicked it toward the dugout when she landed (trying to jump over the pitched ball heading for her foot), runner at 3rd steals home. I say, "That's a hit batter and dead ball right, Blue?" He says, "Nope. If it was my opinion that the batter got hit, I would have called it that way." Opinion? Wow.
 
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I'll just temper my comments by first saying that we are getting only one side of the story. There are two sides to every argument and it's rare that the person telling the one side we're hearing is going to portray themselves in anything other than the best possible light.

Having said that...

As much as it's about knowing the rules and knowing the mechanics, umpiring is about game management and people skills. This means keeping your cool, communicating with the coaches and players in a positive manner and preventing problems instead of causing them.

It's my honest belief that some individuals just don't have the right temperment to deal with people in a high-pressure situation. Umpires need to have a thick skin and should be able to deflect criticism from players, fans, or coaches. They shouldn't be starting arguments, hold grudges or have some need to "get in the last word". They should be able to answer any question a coach has about a call in a brief, professional manner.

Frankly, some of the stuff this umpire was complaining about (like how much he was getting paid), his flippant and sarcastic communications with the coaches and his refusal to shake hands after the game is all way over the line. There really isn't much you can do during the game about it. But after the game, I would contact whoever assigns your umpires and let them know the full story. His supervisor or assigner might be interested in knowing how this umpire handles himself on the field and might be able to do something about it.

I hate harda$$ umpires and I really hate it when an umpire acts like he doesn't want to be there. If you don't like umpiring games, and you don't like what you're getting paid, and you don't like dealing with coaches, my suggestion would be don't sign up to work the games. Nobody's holding a gun to your head to force you to be there (though some act that way). If you don't like the conditions, just don't submit yourself to them...problem solved.
 
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Thanks bretman. I value your opinion and words of wisdon and I totally agree with you. You are correct. You are only hearing my side of the story. Maybe I came across to him differently than I heard myself. I honestly wasn't trying to be sarcastic or rude or disrespectful in any way.

I am trying to portray myself honestly though. I did try to apologize to Blue and the home team coach apologized to me for the way the umpire acted.

At this point, it is what it is. I'm trying to learn from the past and avoid it in the future.
 
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Just one of the many reasons I appreciate Brettman. I have always viewed it as we ALL have a part to play in helping these girls have an enjoyable experience with softball. I have a great deal of respect for each of the parts we all play (players, coaches, umpires, and spectators) and it erks me when an umpire is disrespectful to any of those, including the coaches but especially the players. The umpire's job, in my humble opinion, is to make sure we follow the rules and make the judgement calls during the game (the later being the most difficult piece). It is not to be a harda$$ on a power trip. I re-iterate what Brettman said about contacting the umpire assignor. We had a very bad situation last season in middle-school ball and I contacted the AD (we were visitors) and the AD contacted the assignor, and the assignor followed-up with me. The system worked in our case.
 
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Maybe I came across to him differently than I heard myself. I honestly wasn't trying to be sarcastic or rude or disrespectful in any way.

Even if you were being sarcastic, rude or disrespectful (not saying that you were), that still wouldn't be any excuse for an umpire to react the way he did and say the things he was saying.

A critical skill for umpires is the ability to handle conflict. Some just aren't equipped to do that. You can learn rules and you can learn mechanics but, unfortunately, you can't really learn temperment and personality.
 
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Just wanted to thank all the umpires that take time to help us teach these young kids the rules. I have had many more good umpires than bad but the ones that I treasure are the ones that help me teach by taking a monument to explain one of the myriad rules that govern this game to our very inexperienced players.

They definitely help make my coaching job a lot less like work.
 
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A couple of seasons ago one of the coaches got into a beef with an Ump that got him ejected. Apparently there had been "issues" between the two previously. The next game our runners were called 9 or 10 times for leaving the base early. None of the girls had been called for that all season, nor were they for the rest of the season. A one game epidemic. This was league play and all the Umps reported to the same UIC. Clearly an organized payback orchestrated by Blue, but who ended up getting hurt?

In this case, the Coach was probably in the right relative to the original disagreement, but I have to say that it was a 100% negative experience for everyone on the team.
 

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