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I know we all want our DDs to be healthy but where is anybody in Fastpitch focusing on "DISTANCE" training and body fat. Are you kidding me, I see power hitters and pitchers with the greatest mass being most successful... and usually MOST ATHLETIC too.

IT IS ALL ABOUT BEING ATHLETIC, regardless of weight. Off course less weight, might equal more speed, and possibly less injuries, but not always.

INJURIES WILL BE REDUCED ONCE DDs UNDERSTAND HOW TO PLAY LIKE ATHLETES. HITTER HAS SAID IT ALL. BALANCE, LANDING, BALANCE, LANDING..... ATHLETES KNOW HOW TO BALANCE,TRANSFER, MANAGE THEIR WEIGHT regardless of how much they carry, especially in falls, collisions.....

Michigan, Ohio State NU,,,,,, they all must average 170lbs in their starting line-ups. Haven't seen any of these big girls get hurt, has anyone? BUSTOS, Michelle Bats, Monster Pitchers, Nicole Pauly, 3b on Georgia..... all beasts but also ATHLETIC.

For those of you and your dd's, IF IT HURTS WHEN YOU DO THAT..... "STOP DOING THAT!".

 

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The people an students that I know who blew acls out, messed up ankles,arms,etc. I don't know one that wasn't athletic.

 

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The player was hurt by putting her full weight on her ankle while running to first on a safety base. The first baseman had her leg across the base. Before that injury she ran a legit 2.7 to first. But like I said this coach ran a three hour try out with her and put her on the team and not once was she told she would need to run a non stop timed two miles. She ran in that tryout to first, to second ,to third and to home. All timed and several times. She played a HS season and travel ball summer before the surgery with her tibia and ankle bone grinding together. The surgeon ok'd it because the damage was done. She has less pain now but she still has pain. She is a gamer! And even to hint this kid is not an athlete is a joke! Like I said I need to get off this before I pop a vein over this cave person coach!

 

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I know we all want our DDs to be healthy but where is anybody in Fastpitch focusing on "DISTANCE" training and body fat. Are you kidding me, I see power hitters and pitchers with the greatest mass being most successful... and usually MOST ATHLETIC too.

IT IS ALL ABOUT BEING ATHLETIC, regardless of weight. Off course less weight, might equal more speed, and possibly less injuries, but not always.

INJURIES WILL BE REDUCED ONCE DDs UNDERSTAND HOW TO PLAY LIKE ATHLETES. HITTER HAS SAID IT ALL. BALANCE, LANDING, BALANCE, LANDING..... ATHLETES KNOW HOW TO BALANCE,TRANSFER, MANAGE THEIR WEIGHT regardless of how much they carry, especially in falls, collisions.....

Michigan, Ohio State NU,,,,,, they all must average 170lbs in their starting line-ups. Haven't seen any of these big girls get hurt, has anyone? BUSTOS, Michelle Bats, Monster Pitchers, Nicole Pauly, 3b on Georgia..... all beasts but also ATHLETIC.

For those of you and your dd's, IF IT HURTS WHEN YOU DO THAT..... "STOP DOING THAT!".

Crystl had an ACL surgery and was plagued by hamstring issues until a trainer got her to work on the hamstring strength.

Berg has had ACL surgery as well as Topping who had three. Jenny Topping told everyone at a clinic we were doing if she had known about the information we had just presented she could have avoided two ACL surgeries. Please understand softball knee injuries had 33% of assigned damaged associated with it due to the ACL and baseball only had 3% and that is apple and oranges as to body types. Yet the coaches and trainers are still in the dark as to how the female body functions or should be trained.

Jennie Finch ask me to work with her on her balance last year when we did a clinic with her. She said something was missing in her hitting as to balance for hitting verses pitching. We taught her how to bend at the waist and soften the knees next in that sequence and I pushed on her chest and back and she could feel it. Then we repeated it and had her soften the knees first and bend at the waist and I pushed her off balance. She never knew that! When she strides she did not land on the inside edge of the lead foot (eversion) on a flexed knee for hitting verses how she lands for pitching. Interesting that an elite athlete would make it as far as she has and not know that. However what makes her unique is her wanting to know it and feel it and learn. She had her best year ever as to hitting and I never worked with her on her actual swing...just her stride and balance and nothing else.

I do not think all the long distance running is required for every player however unless you understand the female is predisposed to the ACL issues and why and or how to prevent it...then roll the dice and see what happens. If I misunderstood what you are saying please let me apologize now in advance. Some times the typed word is difficult to feel what emotion you had implied.

Thanks Howard

 

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Crystl had an ACL surgery and was plagued by hamstring issues until a trainer got her to work on the hamstring strength.

Berg has had ACL surgery as well as Topping who had three. Jenny Topping told everyone at a clinic we were doing if she had known about the information we had just presented she could have avoided two ACL surgeries. Please understand softball knee injuries had 33% of assigned damaged associated with it due to the ACL and baseball only had 3% and that is apple and oranges as to body types. Yet the coaches and trainers are still in the dark as to how the female body functions or should be trained.

Jennie Finch ask me to work with her on her balance last year when we did a clinic with her. She said something was missing in her hitting as to balance for hitting verses pitching. We taught her how to bend at the waist and soften the knees next in that sequence and I pushed on her chest and back and she could feel it. Then we repeated it and had her soften the knees first and bend at the waist and I pushed her off balance. She never knew that! When she strides she did not land on the inside edge of the lead foot (eversion) on a flexed knee for hitting verses how she lands for pitching. Interesting that an elite athlete would make it as far as she has and not know that. However what makes her unique is her wanting to know it and feel it and learn. She had her best year ever as to hitting and I never worked with her on her actual swing...just her stride and balance and nothing else.

I do not think all the long distance running is required for every player however unless you understand the female is predisposed to the ACL issues and why and or how to prevent it...then roll the dice and see what happens. If I misunderstood what you are saying please let me apologize now in advance. Some times the typed word is difficult to feel what emotion you had implied.

Thanks Howard

I totally agreed with you... and again base don your workings with those above, what you trained and taught was being a more complete, rounded, trained athlete. Nothing about distance or crazy drills.

My comments were blasting those that could possibly think there is anything about distance and body fat our DDs should be seriously focused on, opposed to training as Athletes. The PEP you speak of specifically trains our dds to be MORE ATHLETIC in their balance, weight transfer, landing knee, leg, hip, ankle placements. I'm in total agreement with you. Read all the NC studies that developed the PEP and continued research. Working on being an Athlete goes far beyond what many Parents, Coaches, Players understand into the finite details of every day training of specific muscle groups, techniques, ......

Just dumbfounded that people are being abused by those talking distance and body fat in regards to Fast Pitch athletes.

And by the way, freak accidents(mentioned above) will still happen no matter what(safety base, sliding into SS at 2b,....) all the PEP or other Atheletic training won't avoid those. I believe what you and North Carolina Studies are trying to tell everyone is that, with proper education, training, and work girls can greatly reduce these injuries and my summize is all these items(education, training, techniques...) make a better athlete. Today's female athletes aren't educated enough to work as a trained athlete and therefore don't develop as a FULL ATHLETE and then suffer the consequences that could be avoided to some degree.

Hitter, think I was trying to give support to all your previous input. And yes, some major athletes get injured, but compare their milage and injury ratio to others and I think you see their is less injuries to those that train/develop not only their bodies, but their skill techniques complimentary (ie: athletically) have much fewer injuries.

 

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I totally agreed with you... and again base don your workings with those above, what you trained and taught was being a more complete, rounded, trained athlete. Nothing about distance or crazy drills.

My comments were blasting those that could possibly think there is anything about distance and body fat our DDs should be seriously focused on, opposed to training as Athletes. The PEP you speak of specifically trains our dds to be MORE ATHLETIC in their balance, weight transfer, landing knee, leg, hip, ankle placements. I'm in total agreement with you. Read all the NC studies that developed the PEP and continued research. Working on being an Athlete goes far beyond what many Parents, Coaches, Players understand into the finite details of every day training of specific muscle groups, techniques, ......

Just dumbfounded that people are being abused by those talking distance and body fat in regards to Fast Pitch athletes.

And by the way, freak accidents(mentioned above) will still happen no matter what(safety base, sliding into SS at 2b,....) all the PEP or other Atheletic training won't avoid those. I believe what you and North Carolina Studies are trying to tell everyone is that, with proper education, training, and work girls can greatly reduce these injuries and my summize is all these items(education, training, techniques...) make a better athlete. Today's female athletes aren't educated enough to work as a trained athlete and therefore don't develop as a FULL ATHLETE and then suffer the consequences that could be avoided to some degree.

Hitter, think I was trying to give support to all your previous input. And yes, some major athletes get injured, but compare their milage and injury ratio to others and I think you see their is less injuries to those that train/develop not only their bodies, but their skill techniques complimentary (ie: athletically) have much fewer injuries.

Thank you and we are on the same page

 

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Thanks Howard, I think a couple people will be receiving PEP!

 

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OK, I am interested in getting information on the PEP program. Was it listed earlier on this thread? Where can I access it?

 

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http://www.aclprevent.com/pepprogram.htm

 

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came across this today,FR
one of the issues with distance running is that it doesn’t allow for sufficient hip flexion to truly activate all the hip flexors. Specifically, we get a lot of rectus femoris recruitment, but not much activation of psoas, which predominately is active above 90 degrees of hip flexion. Likewise, you really aren’t getting much hip extension at all. So, on the whole, by using a repetitive motion like jogging for an extended period of time, pitchers are losing mobility in their hips - and that’s the very mobility they depend on so much to generate stride length and, in turn, velocity.
Frankly, runners are the athletes I see with the most marked lower extremity dysfunctions due to the lack of range-of-motion in the jogging stride - and the fact that they pile so much mileage on this faulty movement pattern. I am a firm believer that we were made to sprint, not jog.

 

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came across this today,FR
one of the issues with distance running is that it doesn?t allow for sufficient hip flexion to truly activate all the hip flexors. Specifically, we get a lot of rectus femoris recruitment, but not much activation of psoas, which predominately is active above 90 degrees of hip flexion. Likewise, you really aren?t getting much hip extension at all. So, on the whole, by using a repetitive motion like jogging for an extended period of time, pitchers are losing mobility in their hips - and that?s the very mobility they depend on so much to generate stride length and, in turn, velocity.
Frankly, runners are the athletes I see with the most marked lower extremity dysfunctions due to the lack of range-of-motion in the jogging stride - and the fact that they pile so much mileage on this faulty movement pattern. I am a firm believer that we were made to sprint, not jog.

The Rectus femoris muscle is one of the four quadriceps muscles of the human body. (The others are the vastus medialis, the vastus intermedius (deep to the rectus femoris), and the vastus lateralis. All four combine to form the quadriceps tendon, which inserts into the patella and continues as the patellar ligament.)
The Rectus femoris is situated in the middle of the front of the thigh; it is fusiform in shape, and its superficial fibers are arranged in a bipenniform manner, the deep fibers running straight down to the deep aponeurosis.


My understanding is because the quads are over developed especially on the females and the hamstring is basically ignored as to training or exercise. I am beating a dead horse into the ground by saying look at the PEP program and do your research as to what your trainers and coaches are teaching your daughters ESPECIALLY the multi sports kids. I support playing more than one sport also.


The hip flexor is at risk again because of landing patterns and hamstring imbalance.


Thanks Howard

 

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I remember the 6 minute mile in two a days in high school football.It didn`t make sense then and it sure does not make sense now. If you were a sword fighter, you wouldnt practice with a pocket knife, would you? Sports specific training is where it is at.

 

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Makes even less sense if you have young ladies with knee and ankle injuries already.

 

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Makes even less sense if you have young ladies with knee and ankle injuries already.

Exactly! Knowing there is a significant difference in the male to female ACL we should all understand they are an accident waiting to happen unless trained properly on how to jump, land and cut. The data that has been collected is too over whelming to disregard anymore. The time for it to happen will be when they are over 18 years old...just when they are about to take it to the next level. It happened over the years and was accumulative, a little from this coach and a little from that sport etc.

Every time I see a knee brace I want to ask them what happened and what sport were you playing?

Howard

 

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTV5Yo3E7VQ&feature=related