Gonna be a Tough week

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Allot has been said here over the last few weeks and it's coming down to decision time for many. As the H.S. teams are formed this week, there will be elation and disappointment for some. This goes both ways to the girls and to the coaches as picking the teams I am sure is not an easy process.

Words of wisdom for your dd's. If unfortunately they are not on the team they hoped and get placed on a JV A or JV B team vs. a Varsity spot, prepare them to take the news and go, digest it first and then plan to have a civil discussion with their coach the next day or another time. They, not Mom or Dad would be the ones who should do this. If they try and do it that evening, their thoughts would not be in the right place and they could regret something they say.

Have them try and get an answer on "what can I do better" so they can work on that. Many times the coach would rather give one more pitching time on JV than they'd see on Varsity. or a player at a position as well. Sometimes it's just a numbers game to have enough bodies to form enough teams (been there on that one) but it does work out in the end...

Have them ask what would be needed to be done to have a chance to swing up as well, as many schools do that during the year.

Most of all support them and be there for them, but most importantly, if you become negative, the child will as well and that could hurt them in the end.

Good luck to all the ladies out there as your teams are formed!

RECAP--- Absorb, cool off, Have HER plan thoughts and schedule discussion....

 

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Nice
Thank you

 

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Very well said!!!

 

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Excellent post Hilliarddad. From a coaches perspective, you covered it well.

 

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That was well said and great advice. And for those that dont make the team they were shooting for, remember the great #23 MJ got cut his freshman year.

 

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Allot has been said here over the last few weeks and it's coming down to decision time for many. As the H.S. teams are formed this week, there will be elation and disappointment for some. This goes both ways to the girls and to the coaches as picking the teams I am sure is not an easy process.

Words of wisdom for your dd's. If unfortunately they are not on the team they hoped and get placed on a JV A or JV B team vs. a Varsity spot, prepare them to take the news and go, digest it first and then plan to have a civil discussion with their coach the next day or another time. They, not Mom or Dad would be the ones who should do this. If they try and do it that evening, their thoughts would not be in the right place and they could regret something they say.

Have them try and get an answer on "what can I do better" so they can work on that. Many times the coach would rather give one more pitching time on JV than they'd see on Varsity. or a player at a position as well. Sometimes it's just a numbers game to have enough bodies to form enough teams (been there on that one) but it does work out in the end...

Have them ask what would be needed to be done to have a chance to swing up as well, as many schools do that during the year.

Most of all support them and be there for them, but most importantly, if you become negative, the child will as well and that could hurt them in the end.

Good luck to all the ladies out there as your teams are formed!

RECAP--- Absorb, cool off, Have HER plan thoughts and schedule discussion....

And make sure, if your going to have a meeting that it has merit.

I have been holding open gyms for months and some girls I have never seen once, then they want to ask why they didn't make varsity?? They are going to be be starring at one "dumbfounded" expressioned coach.

 

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Lot of truth to that :lmao:

And make sure, if your going to have a meeting that it has merit.

I have been holding open gyms for months and some girls I have never seen once, then they want to ask why they didn't make varsity?? They are going to be be starring at one "dumbfounded" expressioned coach.

 

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I think the important thing for each girl to remember is that you are not entitled to anything. So be prepared to compete, no matter how good you think you might be.

 

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And make sure, if your going to have a meeting that it has merit.

I have been holding open gyms for months and some girls I have never seen once, then they want to ask why they didn't make varsity?? They are going to be be starring at one "dumbfounded" expressioned coach.

Correct me if I am wrong, but if what you are saying is because they didn't go to the non mandatory OPEN GYM is a big reason they didn't make the team, then that is a direct violation of the OHSAA Rules. Whether they went to open gym or not, makes no difference what so ever, period.

 

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Correct me if I am wrong, but if what you are saying is because they didn't go to the non mandatory OPEN GYM is a big reason they didn't make the team, then that is a direct violation of the OHSAA Rules. Whether they went to open gym or not, makes no difference what so ever, period.

That has to be one of the all time dumbest statements I have seen on the OFC. Coaches are watching these kids all winter long and you think that the kid who doesn't show up till 2/22 will not be hurt by not working through the winter. JMHO

 

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You are both right. It is a violation of OHSAA rules and any student, that wants to play in any sport, that does not show up for for open gym will not go unnoticed. (have to love those double negatives)

If I were a coach, I would pay attention to the kids who do and who do not show up for open gym. It shows who wants to be there.

Thank heaven I'm not a coach (NAC).

 

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You are both right. It is a violation of OHSAA rules and any student, that wants to play in any sport, that does not show up for for open gym will not go unnoticed. (have to love those double negatives)

If I were a coach, I would pay attention to the kids who do and who do not show up for open gym. It shows who wants to be there.

Thank heaven I'm not a coach (NAC).

Not necessarily. It could be that a particular student is a multi-sport athlete and the times conflicted between playing the sport in season versus an open gym for a sport in the following season. It happened to my dd.

Len

 

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That has to be one of the all time dumbest statements I have seen on the OFC. Coaches are watching these kids all winter long and you think that the kid who doesn't show up till 2/22 will not be hurt by not working through the winter. JMHO

It's not a dumb statement at all. Open gym does nothing more than allow students, WHO HAVE THE TIME, work on their skills in hopes of making a team. It should (and most probably is) stated at the Open Gyms that there are no guarantees for attending.

Let me tell you something. If an absolute stud player showed up for tryouts who did not go to any Open Gyms and placing that stud on the team caused one of the kids who attended every Open Gym to be cut, any coach who wants to win would take the stud.

Len

 

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I guess the way I have taught my DD's is that there is always someone out there better. They go to every non-mandatory workout, workout in the garage, run, hit, throw, pitch and catch so that if they are beaten, it wasn't because they were outworked. There will be some girls that do not need to practice or go to open gyms or whatever, and be successful, but I think those are the exceptions, not the rules. I think a coach allowing the athletes' work ethic to influence his decision is a good thing.

But personally, if any of my DD's could out-pitch Finch or out-hit Bustos, I can guarantee they would work harder each day, just as they do now, it's just the way they were brought up.

 

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That has to be one of the all time dumbest statements I have seen on the OFC. Coaches are watching these kids all winter long and you think that the kid who doesn't show up till 2/22 will not be hurt by not working through the winter. JMHO

Kids may miss open gyms for another high school sport or to take pitching and hitting lessons. Most of them will still be ready for tryouts and the ones who are not will pay the price.

 

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Not necessarily. It could be that a particular student is a multi-sport athlete and the times conflicted between playing the sport in season versus an open gym for a sport in the following season. It happened to my dd.

Len

I think the coaches know who the multi-sport athletes are and takes that into consideration. If they don't, they shouldn't be coaching because they are not involved in their players lives. I may not be coaching my 10U team anymore, but I still check on my former players and will offer them any help if they need it.

 

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Not necessarily. It could be that a particular student is a multi-sport athlete and the times conflicted between playing the sport in season versus an open gym for a sport in the following season. It happened to my dd.

Len

I used to think that I was a multi sport athlete. Then, I found out that 12 oz. curls were not considered a sport.

Good point, though, about multi sport athletes.

 

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I used to think that I was a multi sport athlete. Then, I found out that 12 oz. curls were not considered a sport.

Good point, though, about multi sport athletes.

I think 12oz curls are a sport.......

Len

 

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There will be some girls that do not need to practice or go to open gyms or whatever, and be successful, but I think those are the exceptions, not the rules. I think a coach allowing the athletes' work ethic to influence his decision is a good thing.

Funny how so many think they are the exception when they are really the rule;&

IME open gyms/winter workouts are schedule to conflict as little as possible with other sports. If you are playing another sport you should definitely get a pass when they conflict or if you need to stay fresh for a big event.

In fairness to the original coaches comments I think he was implying that someone who looked terrible now AND hadn't been coming to ANY winter workouts shouldn't be suprised. As a player I would appreciate low cost convenient indoor practice time organized for me, but in the end it's the responsibility of the player to be ready to perform and if they aren't their practice regime or lack thereof doesn't matter. Given two equal kids you'd probably have a better impression of the work ethic of one that had made the effort to come to those practices, but many factors work into your overall judgement of a player. Picking the one you think has a better work ethic is different from requiring participation at open gyms which would be a problem.

That may sound like it's semantically convenient, but I would guess that a player that never made it to any open gyms might be still be able to impress me with their work ethic at tryouts if they really showed hustle, but a kid who never showed up in the off season and lacked hustle at tryouts would just be firming up a poor opinion of their effort level.

I do think there is an epidemic of coaches putting too much emphasis on year round participation. It's a great tool to make that accessible to the kids that want it, but there is no reason to punish the multi sport athletes beyond the expected outcome that their working peers may pass them or close the gap in skills.

 

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Funny how so many think they are the exception when they are really the rule;&

I must have missed somerthing, did anyone one here say they were the 'exception'??