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You can be a smart and crafty coach and not enter into that realm. More times than not those type of things blow up in your face. Take the high road on this one. Save the low road for something like stealing a signal. LOL
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I seen some of the quotes about " one umpire" and him trying to make this call of obstruction.
If you play in an event with only one umpire.. then expect this silly stuff to happen and " no calls" on some things. Nature of the beast. Umpires can't watch two runners and what the fielder is doing and trying to anticipate where the play is going to be at... and do his job to the fullest extent of what is expected. Sounds like a cheap TD to me and NOT poor umpiring.
If you play in an event with only one umpire.. then expect this silly stuff to happen and " no calls" on some things. Nature of the beast. Umpires can't watch two runners and what the fielder is doing and trying to anticipate where the play is going to be at... and do his job to the fullest extent of what is expected. Sounds like a cheap TD to me and NOT poor umpiring.
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I blame COACHES for games with ONE UMP. They should not sign up for tournaments that use one ump. Then there wouldn't be any tournaments using just one ump.
Wouldn't be cheap TD's if coaches would not going to their tournaments.
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I've seen plenty of bad "2 ump" games. Having said that, plenty of poor coaching and execution too. Not to mention the misinterpretation of proper technique in the base paths by fielders and base runners. Lots of good stuff, much funnier to watch when it doesn't happen to me. :cap:
Also seen lots of great play and umpiring. Best umpiring I've seen is Columbus, IN (USSSA that Tonya Perkins held) and Sluggerfest. So there, I'm not all negative...
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i will say the umpire working this game was one of better umpires really did a good job just to much to watch for one guy and looks up from behind plate and see ss and runner on ground ss was clearly out of base path but by the time he got out there both were up and have moved but gives runner 3rd base.and the other thing i bet my paycheck she could not steal 3rd succesfully without an error she was not that fast and catchers arm is really good.but talked to some people actually told me if ss is even close they will tell there girls to run into her and i just dont agree
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I have no idea where these one umpire tournaments are. The only place I ever saw one umpire was at a "free" tournament and then the teams knew what to expect. I did the 16u division by myself.
After an early spring tournament at a park last year... they moved to two umpires.
I heard that some places do the one umpire in the pool play games... which I can never understand ..... as the pool play games are very important games for positioning in the eliminations.
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That's because Columbus, IN borrowed Dayton umpires and Sluggerfest used a lot from other places as well. I know two crews of three that went to Columbus, IN anytime they had an event
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I have to agree with this statement. Never understood why anyone would pay good money to get in a tournament and have one umpire in pool play when pool play is just as important, like Ohioquakerman said, to your positioning in the elimination tournament and whether or not you play a good team or a team that has lost right off the get-go.
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jasbo77, she def would have stolen that base at least 7 outta 10 times. there is no coaching of initiating contact, these are 12U girls....lets get rational. From where I was standing during the play in question the ss backed up as the runner was stealing third, the two athletes forsaw the collision both slowed up avoided major contact were offbalance and fell down. Dont cheapen the game, your team or your opponent by questioning coaching ethics. There was enough of that going on after the game by the guy sitting on your bench please tell me that isnt you who was running around saying bush league and mouthing off in front of your team after the game.
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Ok, I can see it all now..... "Team we are in a really close game, if we have you steal third base run as fast as you can into the 5'7" SS and lets hope we can get an obstruction call, oh suzi dont worry it'll only hurt a little, we'll win though, dont you want that, no pain no gain.....lol nice one, change your name to the Great Santini
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easy one. Poor sportsmanship and bush league. It is softball not hockey!
Not to say softball is not a collision sport because there are times when they will be unavoidable. To coach or intentionally tell a kid to purposely run into someone for your advantage is a diservice to everyone.
Remember character is measured by what we do when we think no one is watching or when we think we can get away with something. This is instilling pore character in my opinion.
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Not to say softball is not a collision sport because there are times when they will be unavoidable. To coach or intentionally tell a kid to purposely run into someone for your advantage is a diservice to everyone.
Remember character is measured by what we do when we think no one is watching or when we think we can get away with something. This is instilling pore character in my opinion.
JMO
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Don't know where you were sitting to see the SS back up, but if she had moved back any further she would have been standing next to the left fielder, as she was playing behind the baseline... Now addressing the rest of your comment...
Unless you were the one the statement was made to you have no idea what statement was made. There was no mouthing off in front of any team, the statement was made personally to one individual and the statement was not bush league... it was "that was a very bush move." I know because I made it and would do the same again... I then walked to my bench and gathered my things and was being followed by your coach yelling at me. I then attempted to apologize for making the statement at that time and told your coach that I should have addressed it after both teams had left the field. That quality of game should have ended with both teams on the field not a coach running onto the field to end it!
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Bret- The base ump made the call looking back from 2nd. Not quite sure why he was in front of the runner at that point, unless he watching to see if a catch was made{but see below}...."Protest" as usual was a sham-tell coaches to back away-"I've got your back, you've got mine"-homeplate would not override the call "because he was watching to see if the ball was caught". If I remember my ump mechanics correctly, isn't the base umpire responsible for the catch since he is usually 90 to 100 feet closer, and the plate ump should watch the runner? I think your biggest problem is you actually have read, do read, and understand the rules, and you make the assumption others do as well. Our baserunner was about 5'4, 130: first basewoman was about 5'10. 200. Our girl was definitely going to lose the unnecessary collision, so I told her and her parents I would rather have her called out than be out for the season w/broken ribs or a blown knee. I would personally love to see a rule that if it is obvious no play will occur at 1st, then have some type of "bubble" the 1b can't be in.
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absolutely, again the game was great. there was no intential contact big strong kids on the field moving fast, stuff happens.... your saying that was a bush move that a 12 yr old girl was obstructed during a game even if the SS was playing hopscotch w/ the LF, if she wasnt playing on the ball it's obstruction there is no 'baseline'(by the way your kid played a great game at 3rd was intense, made adj at the plate offensively was a real leader for your team)
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I agree this is cheap and unnecessarily puts children at risk of injury. A coach that teaches this probably should not be around kids.
But what do you teach the kids when a fielder is purposely blocking the basepath? Push them out of the way? Run over them? Try to go around them?
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Great question Mad. Seen it to many times. If the ump refuses to make the call, what do you do??
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Had a situation last year where the 3B kept standing on the inside corner of the bag while my runners were trying to score from second. I told the ump and he spoke to the coach but it didn't change anything. Then I told my players if it happened again to push her out of the way. Sure enough my 4 stick (big girl) came barreling through and there she was standing right in the way. Luckily no one was seriously hurt but there were tears....
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My statement to your coach was not about the obstruction call... Was about not letting the game be finished on the field, where it deserved to be finished. Thank you for the kind words about my daughter, I will definitely let her read them. She works very hard on improving her game and will be nice for her to here! Finally, and to close this for good, I do not want anything said or done to take away from the kids and the game they played (on both sides) as it was truly one of the best 12U games I have ever had the privilege of watching. You guys have a really nice team and nothing said or done affected the outcome of the game... Just glad to see our kids respond after the 12-0 drubbing you put on us...
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Then my mistake on this whole take, i assumed ( u know where that gets me) that it was that in nature of the obstruction. understand if the game ended the same way with r team on the losing end we would be upset as well. i guess the intensity of the entire game got everyone's competitive juices going. Your team showed great pride in the second game refusing to break on either side of the ball, that was definately a game worth 7+ innings. Good luck this season to your team, and again I noticed your dd's disappointment on saturday after our game and she showed what type of competitor she is on sunday I was very proud for her ( i know u were too) and I told her such after the game and gave her a handshake instead of the 'high 5'
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i loved that game was a great one never mentioned a name anywhere.i didnt think she was near baseline but that is not even the point few parents were talking about it after game and one actually told me i should coach my girls to do that which i never would and it just got me thinking how others felt about a scenario like this.so i thought i would post something and see how others felt on issue.would not disgrace anything you guys are as good a 12u team as i have seen congrats.we have a long summer ahead of us in which i know we will be seeing each other a few times.good luck and see ya this summer
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