High School Girls before June 1

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Question for everyone. I know the answer or at least I thought I did... just need support from my fellow Ohio Softball Community.
Whats the rule on high school fastpitch players before June 1 as far as playing/practicing?

 

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Ok, I take it that you mean HS players playing travel ball before June 1st. The only hard date is June 11, the season ends date.

If the coach has released the team prior to June 11th, then the players are free to play travel ball. If the coach has not released the team prior to June 11th and a HS player participates in a non-interscholastic fastpitch event, then that girl is no longer eligible for HS fastpitch for the remainder of the season.

 

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Its actually our rec league and our local High School AD is telling all the girls they cannot participate period until June 1. Rule states they can after the high school season is over but before June 1 must only be 4 total per roster, after June 1-July 31 they can play as many girls on a team as needed.

 

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Its actually our rec league and our local High School AD is telling all the girls they cannot participate period until June 1. Rule states they can after the high school season is over but before June 1 must only be 4 total per roster, after June 1-July 31 they can play as many girls on a team as needed.

Outside of the time period of June 1 - July 31, no more than 4 players from a HS may play together, so the AD and Rec are correct on that front. The other side of the coin is that until the season is over (end of the state tournament or when the coach releases the team, whichever is earlier) a member of the HS team may not participate with any other team.

 

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Why do tournament directors and league managers keep trying to push things earlier and earlier every year? Can't they wait till at least the kids are all out of school and graduations are over with? Geez, this kind of stuff is why so many are constantly needing advice (or lawyer) to make sure their kid won't get in trouble. Take a chill pill and relax for a few days, maybe go watch the playoff games in Akron and show some support for those teams.

 

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Why do tournament directors and league managers keep trying to push things earlier and earlier every year? Can't they wait till at least the kids are all out of school and graduations are over with? Geez, this kind of stuff is why so many are constantly needing advice (or lawyer) to make sure their kid won't get in trouble. Take a chill pill and relax for a few days, maybe go watch the playoff games in Akron and show some support for those teams.

No because the girls want to start playing and not wait. If you don't then wait, your choice. Don't make everyone else wait because you want to. You should take a chill pill and let us play and we will let you wait.

 

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We would have preferred to wait to start our tourney schedule until after exams and graduations, but when the team goal is to attend USA/ASA and a qualifier is scheduled for the last weekend of graduations . . . (this is no knock on the TD, because I believe that by the time this tournament was awarded, the first weekend in June was pretty much all that was left).

 

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I am siding with Daboss--these early tourn, especially for the older girls (and us parents/coaches) make for terrible choices-lose 6 girls for the State due to ACT, lose them due to graduations, or lose them due to the family wanting a short vacation before the summer kicks in-why not start everything the second weekend of June?

 

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The ACT test in question is June 11 and I don't think any Travel Ball team seeking college exposure wants to wait until after that weekend to start playing. There are several dates for the ACT test throughout the year that could avoid this conflict. If a player or players have to take the June test because they haven't taken an earlier test, I'm not sure tournament directors or the ASA could be criticized for having tournaments that weekend. Although TB coaches have a lot on their plates, I do think one item should be communicating to their players to take the ACT or SAT tests that are offered during the off season. Early communication on that issue can determine whether a team will include the June dates for ACT and SAT tests on their tournament schedule.

Note to self: put this communication item onto my August calendar.

 

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They give the act exams all year long. Older dd took hers in the fall and winter.
Younger one will start doing the same.

Also if your team is knocked out of the tournament what is the coach going to do your season is already over.

 

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Second weekend is no guarentee for having HS aged girls playing ball either.

Better odds, I agree, that their HS team is out of the state playoff....

I thought as a parent... travel ball tournaments was a VACATION for parents.

And now that we know here in Ohio that these Eastern Regional qualifiers are just a "marketing term" and really has no value winning them or not.... as EVERY team has the right to attend the Regionals...

I would HOPE that these orgs out there running events would quit using their events to be ERQ... so the players that WANT to play.. and coaches that want to play... and parents that want to play... would give these coaches/teams an opportunity to pick up players to play while maybe a couple of their players are still in the HS playoff.. say Memorial Day weekend.

Makes no sense to me to be a coach and take the chances of a frozen roster after entering an Eastern Regional Qualifier. Look at the problems with the Lasers event last year in Marion and coaches and parents coming on the OFC asking questions about teams that played in earlier quaifiers now playing up in age divisions.

To me, if I was a 14u coach and I won an ASA National berth on the first weekend of June... I'd want to play up in 16u events to gain experience all summer and get ready for the nationals. Some associations you can't do that and I have always wondered why and what their reasoning is for that rule.

Take a couple of butt-whippings and give some back... it gives the girls experience and confidence going into the Nationals that they played up against 16u and held their ground.

It comes down to this: Ohio TD's need to get out of the "ERQ game".. for it doesn't mean squat. Truthfully, how many teams ACTUALLY go anyway. What percentage of your teams in your tournament goes

TD's in Ohio could do a great service to the teams, the players and the coaches if they just would hold regular tournaments so not to cause "frozen roster / ineligibility" problems for the girls.

Afterall, ANY team can go to a Regional tournament. Just ask and apply.

I still have to laugh of the one TD that said " Any team that gets in my tournament earns the "right" to go to the Eastern Regionals :lmao: And the funnier thing is: People fall for it.

 

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Why do tournament directors and league managers keep trying to push things earlier and earlier every year? Can't they wait till at least the kids are all out of school and graduations are over with? Geez, this kind of stuff is why so many are constantly needing advice (or lawyer) to make sure their kid won't get in trouble. Take a chill pill and relax for a few days, maybe go watch the playoff games in Akron and show some support for those teams.

Yep - and just because you can't do team practices doesn't mean the "downtime" could be spent productively working on much needed INDIVIDUAL position skills and hitting. Just getting games in with your summer team, or "hitting the cages" is not the solution to getting better as a player. A couple weeks spent on nothing but individual skills work between school ball and summer ball is drastically overlooked. This is an excellent time to work with a skills specific instructor to improve weaknesses - because getting better as an individual player is a huge part of what makes the whole team better.

 

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No because the girls want to start playing and not wait. If you don't then wait, your choice. Don't make everyone else wait because you want to. You should take a chill pill and let us play and we will let you wait.

Amen, my DD is itching to get started at 14u in Parma this weekend. She's already packed.

 

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maybe go watch the playoff games in Akron and show some support for those teams.

I would if the games werent at 1 or 2 pm.....should be played under the lights.......

 

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They give the act exams all year long. Older dd took hers in the fall and winter.
Younger one will start doing the same.

Also if your team is knocked out of the tournament what is the coach going to do your season is already over.

If I remember correctly, the penalty for playing outside of school before you are officially released is to be restricted for ONE YEAR from the date, not just the rest of the season.

So that is the bad news.

 

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Thanks all but...can we get back to my post question?

 

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Question for everyone. I know the answer or at least I thought I did... just need support from my fellow Ohio Softball Community.
Whats the rule on high school fastpitch players before June 1 as far as playing/practicing?

The rule as I interpret it, (and our AD) is that once they are released from the high school team you are fine to play or practice.

But, you can have NO MORE than 4 from the same high school team excluding the dates of June 1 - July 31, but they would be allowed to play in a National Tournament into August. No practice or playing as a team before June 1 if you have more than 4 from the same school program.