High school scoring trends

[CARDS]

I was just commenting on this to my husband yesterday. We went to watch our local team play yesterday and the head coach was coaching 3rd and keeping the book at the same time. I can't imagine what the book looks like. It didn't look like he could keep up with either job.

I was also wondering about the official rules regarding an asst. coach because both games we watched there were different parents coaching first base - and neither of them are listed as asst. coaches on the school's team site. They didn't know softball much either (e.g. full count, the guy yells from first- "don't swing unless it's perfect- it's gotta be perfect", ((and no, the ump didn't have an impossibly small strike zone and the girl was capable of swinging the bat, etc. etc.))

Granted the team is new (they didn't have a team last year) but I expected more.

A lot of schools have students keep score thus why so may mistakes. As far as coaching we played a D1 playoff game in 2013 where the visiting team had only 10 players and one coach. The bus driver coached 1st base for them and I did not see one person with a book.
There are several high school teams that do not report any stats.

 

[The Dude]

I try to keep it myself while coaching a base. Have to admit, it can get a lil hairy, lol. Especially when it decides to rain, constantly opening and closing a tin bin, while giving signs. But that way at least it's legit when it comes to the stats. I also have a parent keep it for 'official purposes' when we are the home team. When entering stats into maxpreps I use my figures.

 

[SoCal_Dad]

I stand corrected then. I was using the NCAA rule book and they state it differently.

Here's the NCAA rule that covers hits...

14.3.13 If the ball is not touched because of confusion as to who should have fielded it.

That only applies to batted balls. A different rule covers throws...

14.21.5 When a throw is made to a base and more than one fielder could have received the throw but neither did, an error is charged to the fielder who should have received the throw.

 

[gobug]

Here's the NCAA rule that covers hits...

14.3.13 If the ball is not touched because of confusion as to who should have fielded it.

That only applies to batted balls. A different rule covers throws...

14.21.5 When a throw is made to a base and more than one fielder could have received the throw but neither did, an error is charged to the fielder who should have received the throw.

Thanks for clarifying that.

I was using this rule: 14.22.7- When a fly ball is misjudged and the fielder cannot
recover in time to make the play it is not charged as an error. In the situations I was referring to there was plenty of time to recover so I incorrectly thought it would not be credited as a hit.

 

[coachjwb]

The rule books and guidelines can definitely be confusing!

 

[crystlemc]

I keep the book for DD 's high school team because nobody else knows how. Anyone that knows me, knows I'm strict about errors on everyone. Yes, my kid pitches for the HS, and that plays zero factor in how I score. She's not pitching or playing in college, so I don't much care how her stats end up. That being said, her team is 0-6,only making it out of the 5th inning one time. Yet, her ERA is 1.9 and is averaging 8 k's per game. We have half the team who has never played softball a day in their life. I am seriously not joking. The errors are being 5-holed,dropping a pop up, making bad throws, throwing the ball around, and uncaught 3rd strikes (catcher has never caught before). If this season doesn't kill what little love my DD has left for the game, it will be a miracle.

Errors need to be recorded properly, regardless of who is playing where. To pad the stats does no favor for anyone. Eventually that ineptitude will be discovered.

 

[Coach Tony]

At the all-CVC and (much less frequently) the all-state voting meetings, it is always a hoot to see players get 75 at bats without ever reaching base on error and who have 1.000 fielding percentages in 27 games...

 

[SoCal_Dad]

The errors are being 5-holed,dropping a pop up, making bad throws, throwing the ball around, and uncaught 3rd strikes (catcher has never caught before).

To clarify for others (I expect you're doing it correctly), Passed Ball (PB) is recorded instead of E2 for not catching 3rd strikes - and only when the batter reached 1B or base runner(s) advanced because of it. Errors are charged on subsequent play where they either prevented an out from being made or allowed runner(s) to advance. PB's are treated like errors when calculating Earned Runs.

 

[Hilliarddad3]

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I keep the book for DD 's high school team because nobody else knows how. Anyone that knows me, knows I'm strict about errors on everyone. Yes, my kid pitches for the HS, and that plays zero factor in how I score. She's not pitching or playing in college, so I don't much care how her stats end up. That being said, her team is 0-6,only making it out of the 5th inning one time. Yet, her ERA is 1.9 and is averaging 8 k's per game. We have half the team who has never played softball a day in their life. I am seriously not joking. The errors are being 5-holed,dropping a pop up, making bad throws, throwing the ball around, and uncaught 3rd strikes (catcher has never caught before). If this season doesn't kill what little love my DD has left for the game, it will be a miracle.

Errors need to be recorded properly, regardless of who is playing where. To pad the stats does no favor for anyone. Eventually that ineptitude will be discovered.

But are they getting better each time out and learning?.......

 

[crystlemc]

No. No they are not.

 

[Coach K]

First post in the site..... Whooooooaaaaaaa!!!


Been coaching high school for 14 years. Pretty sure the point of this post includes both travel ball and high school. You can't imagine how many parents tell me their kids are batting .600 or .500 on their travel ball team.


I think the relevance to high school is that the stats affect honors such as All State or All District. It is a shame. You can also add to the shame the competition each team plays that is not taken into consideration when voting.


But, in the end, the college coaches know and see who the real players are on the field and make their decisions accordingly.


Coach K


"Your actions speak so loud, I cannot hear what you say"

 

[WWolff]

First post in the site..... Whooooooaaaaaaa!!!


Been coaching high school for 14 years. Pretty sure the point of this post includes both travel ball and high school. You can't imagine how many parents tell me their kids are batting .600 or .500 on their travel ball team.


I think the relevance to high school is that the stats affect honors such as All State or All District. It is a shame. You can also add to the shame the competition each team plays that is not taken into consideration when voting.


But, in the end, the college coaches know and see who the real players are on the field and make their decisions accordingly.


Coach K


"Your actions speak so loud, I cannot hear what you say"

What high school you coach ?

 

[Pacerdad57]

will have to say the DD is batting .545 after 6 games, and i do keep her stats. they do include fielders choice, errors instead of hits when it occurs, etc, etc.
i am honest with her about it, and we have even gotten after each other when she doesn't agree with my determination of what happened! lol
all in all she is just seeing it well and not just standing there watching it go by. so we'll see how the HS JV season stacks up and where she ends up in TB season.
gotta like a kid who has put in as much effort in improving her game as she has

 

[Dad of Daughters]

There is a team in our league who reported his lefty slapper leadoff hitter at .773 and .700 in the first 2 area stat roundups in the local newspaper. We scouted them twice and played them last night. In both scout games she had at least 2 either fielder's choice or ROE's and last night went 0-4 against us, all put outs. If she gets reported at .690 this week, I'm gonna see if their head coach will do my taxes next year...

 

[DougA10]

Score keeping in college is not much better, especially in league play.

 

[coachjwb]

I disagree about the college scorekeeping ... while there are some less experienced people doing it sometimes, my experience on what I've seen is that it's pretty accurate, and that coaches have an interest in ensuring that. I would be interested in hearing what/where your experience is, Natural.

 

[Run26]

There is a team in our league who reported his lefty slapper leadoff hitter at .773 and .700 in the first 2 area stat roundups in the local newspaper. We scouted them twice and played them last night. In both scout games she had at least 2 either fielder's choice or ROE's and last night went 0-4 against us, all put outs. If she gets reported at .690 this week, I'm gonna see if their head coach will do my taxes next year...

I have been over this so many times with parents that I've just given up. Most have no concept of a FC and why it isn't considered a "hit". I've even explained how getting our lead runner out is actually a bad thing and should count against "Jenny".
At times, they probably assume I am just trying to be negative. Honestly hurts way more than being naive.

 

[Dad of Daughters]

I have been over this so many times with parents that I've just given up.

No question about the futility of trying to explain this to parents, but I'm talking about an opposing head coach. Even worse because it's incompetence by the person in that position or dishonesty on the part of the person in that position.

 

[3ballbratz]

I keep the book for DD 's high school team because nobody else knows how. Anyone that knows me, knows I'm strict about errors on everyone. Yes, my kid pitches for the HS, and that plays zero factor in how I score. She's not pitching or playing in college, so I don't much care how her stats end up. That being said, her team is 0-6,only making it out of the 5th inning one time. Yet, her ERA is 1.9 and is averaging 8 k's per game. We have half the team who has never played softball a day in their life. I am seriously not joking. The errors are being 5-holed,dropping a pop up, making bad throws, throwing the ball around, and uncaught 3rd strikes (catcher has never caught before). If this season doesn't kill what little love my DD has left for the game, it will be a miracle.

Errors need to be recorded properly, regardless of who is playing where. To pad the stats does no favor for anyone. Eventually that ineptitude will be discovered.

You must be on our team ! Lol. We turned a drop third inning ending strikeout into a 3 run home run Saturday. After the dust settled. The coach screams at my DD ( the pitcher ) for not backing up home when the last run came in.

 

[softballmom2000]

You must be on our team ! Lol. We turned a drop third inning ending strikeout into a 3 run home run Saturday. After the dust settled. The coach screams at my DD ( the pitcher ) for not backing up home when the last run came in.

Sounds like DDs JV coach. He actually blamed the girls on the bench for why the catcher made a late and very poorly thrown throw down attempt that went over the base because SS was not paying attention and never got there.