High School Softball - Jeeeeezzzzzz

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Our players from Florida only have 3-4 weeks left in the HS season and our Stingrays Gold team has already lost 2 players to season ending injuries. Both were defined as "over use" injuries. Practicing for 2 1/2 hours everyday that the kids don't play games is the norm. Catchers catching bullpen for 1 1/2 hours straight, pitchers throwing BP, runners running bases non stop..... I can't remember losing 2 players ever because of overuse during a summer or fall season. Do you all see the same type of injuries up there or am I just "LUCKY"?

 

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OK, Mark, now on a day when it's snowing like crazy here and most high school teams haven't even been outside yet, any talk about overuse injuries from a guy in Florida just seems like rubbing it in!

That stinks about losing a couple of players though ... have seen it happen in the past up here particularly with pitchers. As you know from being up here yourself, when we get all of this crappy weather here at the beginning of softball season, that just means cramming more games into an even more compact schedule, so that won't help any!

 

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Seeing that today is the first full day of Spring - and it's snowing and 26 degrees, 'overuse' is not even in our vocabulary. Let's talk about 'entropy'.

___ Damm*t Jeff - you type too fast.

 

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Sorry - didn't mean to rub the weather point in.

 

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Look at the bright side fellas....When we are enjoying "Fall Ball"...Mark will be dodgin' hurricanes....:lmao:

 

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We did have a back injury due to overuse. Unfortunately, it was mine: shoveling snow.

 

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Our players from Florida only have 3-4 weeks left in the HS season and our Stingrays Gold team has already lost 2 players to season ending injuries. Both were defined as "over use" injuries. Practicing for 2 1/2 hours everyday that the kids don't play games is the norm. Catchers catching bullpen for 1 1/2 hours straight, pitchers throwing BP, runners running bases non stop..... I can't remember losing 2 players ever because of overuse during a summer or fall season. Do you all see the same type of injuries up there or am I just "LUCKY"?

Losing 2 players to season-ending injuries during the HS season is very unfortunate. The fact they're overuse injuries makes it more troublesome.

Are travel teams allowed to practice during the HS season in FL? If so, how often does your team practice?

Some girls out here don't get a day off between their HS going Mon-Sat and TB practice on Sunday. Most of the TB teams go quiet for the 1st half the season when there are a lot of weekend games and start practicing again the 2nd half when most HS teams cut back to Mon-Fri.

 

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There are no limitations in Florida. No scheduled practices for our team though. That said I have a group of players that bug me incessently about getting extra hitting in. So on Sundays I show up to a field and whoever shows up gets reps. Neither of the kids we lost have been to the Sunday sessions.

Losing 2 players to season-ending injuries during the HS season is very unfortunate. The fact they're overuse injuries makes it more troublesome.

Are travel teams allowed to practice during the HS season in FL? If so, how often does your team practice?

Some girls out here don't get a day off between their HS going Mon-Sat and TB practice on Sunday. Most of the TB teams go quiet for the 1st half the season when there are a lot of weekend games and start practicing again the 2nd half when most HS teams cut back to Mon-Fri.

 

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There are no limitations in Florida.

sounds like y'all need to be regulated to be as advanced as OHSAA...

 

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Oh H3ll no.....

sounds like y'all need to be regulated to be as advanced as OHSAA...

 

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Flarays-You come on here complaining about loosing players to over use but then you run practice on Sunday after these kids have been at it for 6 days of High school ball already !!!! Looks like you are as much a part of the problem as the school coach.

 

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Thanks for your concern Wave - but if you read the post you will see that I show up to allow those players that want some extra hitting a chance to do so. You will also see that the players that hit at times are not the ones that are hurt. What you probably don't understand is that kids at this level all do extra hitting lessons and pitching lessons. Our sunday 1 - 1 1/2 hiting sessions probably are more like those lessons as opposed to 2 1/2 - 3 hour HS practices.

If you are really that interested in our "practice" sessions I will gladly send you the video and you can compare it to a HS practice and you can tell me which you think causes over use injuries.

BTW - the only reason these players want to hit on Sundays is because of the lack of quality in our HS pitching as a whole. I would think that because your situation is so much better that your group doesn't need that extra work.

Flarays-You come on here complaining about loosing players to over use but then you run practice on Sunday after these kids have been at it for 6 days of High school ball already !!!! Looks like you are as much a part of the problem as the school coach.

 

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Mark- I get what your saying but the fact remains that if you are worried about over use then tell those kids to take a day off to rest there bodies. I know when my DD was in school I had a rule that Sunday was a day off for R&R and to catch up on home work(grades will get you in school quicker then athletics). Why would you have pitching lessons with a kid who probably thru 5-7 games that week?

BTW-As I have said on here before, many have got so wrapped in thinking there kid has to be on the right team or the best tourneys to be noticed that they have lost sight of how much $ they are spending when most kids wont get enuff scholarship money to offset the dollars they spent anyway. My dd didnt play TB after her sophmore year and actually became a better player for it(we saved a lot of money on doctor bills from over use by some TB coach). Guess what-she still managed to be 1st Team All State and a 2nd Team All American by her senior year and plenty of college interest without TB.

Charlie W

 

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Mark- I get what your saying but the fact remains that if you are worried about over use then tell those kids to take a day off to rest there bodies. I know when my DD was in school I had a rule that Sunday was a day off for R&R and to catch up on home work(grades will get you in school quicker then athletics). Why would you have pitching lessons with a kid who probably thru 5-7 games that week?

BTW-As I have said on here before, many have got so wrapped in thinking there kid has to be on the right team or the best tourneys to be noticed that they have lost sight of how much $ they are spending when most kids wont get enuff scholarship money to offset the dollars they spent anyway. My dd didnt play TB after her sophmore year and actually became a better player for it(we saved a lot of money on doctor bills from over use by some TB coach). Guess what-she still managed to be 1st Team All State and a 2nd Team All American by her senior year and plenty of college interest without TB.

Charlie W

I can only speak for my dd but she doesn't play travel ball to get a college scholarship. She studies hard and gets good grades to get a college scholarship. She plays travel ball so she can play at the highest level because she loves the game. I do not expect the money spent on travel ball to be made up by scholarship monies or any other monies. It was spent so she could do something she loves and to create memories for the rest of her life.

I can also guarantee you that she would be one of the first ones at any extra practices.....or whining and complaining that she had the day off. It isn't always the parents and coaches pushing them, alot of times the girls are so dedicated and committed to the sport that they push themselves.

 

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Charlie - why pitching lessons? Why would a TB coach show up when asked by his/her players to do so? Oh never mind. Our team GPA is over 3.84 unweighted - we are on all the Ivy's radar. Our kids take care of themselves very nicely thank you very much.

You always seem to want to pound your position about your daughter and her ability to excel without playing TB. That is fine - she should be proud - you certainly are. But I hope you really do see the difference in the masses as it relates to HS vs TB exposure - if not, your credibility is certainly in question. Opinions are great and everyone is entitled to theirs. But ignoring the facts is not an arguement.

 

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Mark-Not sure how my credibility is in question. I dont come on here whining about how bad school ball is or trying to destroy TB. My dd played tb from 5th grade to her sophmore year, and yes it made her a better ball player and I will never say it didnt. The facts are that I see too much tb vs school ball when I think they both have great things to offer.

The only facts I know of are this-parents think there kids have to be on the right team to get into college when the reality is that most kids will get no money at all.

I happen to be one of those parents with twins(dd and son) who excelled in high school and there hard work payed off in college(softball &baseball). I just truly feel that many parents and coachs have lost sight of what is really important in life today and yes it is my opinion but I have the experience to talk about it.

 

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Wave - I don't think anyone questioned yours or anyones credibility. It just seems that you look at this topic as a personal thing. I am not a fan of HS softball, but not for the reasons you might think. My post was simply stating my situation, and asking a question. You are the one that turned it to a you vs them thing.

I will say that your comment about most kids get "no money" at all is inherently inacurate. MOST kids that go on to play college softball at schools that have scholarships available to give, DO receive money. That is a fact. It might not be huge, might not be the full ride that the 12u parents see as the prize, but it is money. I won't even get into the additional money that these schools come up with grant, scholastic, etc wise.


I do hate to say this - but your whining is a tad bit annoying when it comes to this subject. I wonder if the mods can direct me to the "MUTE" option on this site........

 

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I would like to insert my 2 cents here... My DD has been playing ball since age 6'. Travel ball since age 9". We started with a local team playing in north central Ohio, we played in small local tournaments wasn't pretty. We then moved to a team in the Ashland area, promised a lot... Got very little. The team started to fall apart and 1,5 hr drives 2 tines a week at 3.75/ gallon was to much. We found a 3 year home with another local program, LOVED them great program, great staff. We played 16U for another team be we moved out of State.

when we played for the first few years we didnt see any college coaches PERIOD. I told my daughter she has 6 years of ball left 2 in HS, 4 in college... Then 45 years of work... So study hard get good grades.

however, her love of the game pushes her to not only study hard, but put forth the extra tine both in hitting, but field work as well. The HS BALL here is not the same level as TB. FACT.

FACT#2 studying and good grades will get her to college, but playing ball on the BIG STAGES get more colleges to look at her,and if Coach XZY, as interest he/she will make every attempt to make sure that admissions does all they can.to make sure she gets in.

My daughter has worked hard enough that she was seen, and offered a chance to play international softball, where she faced the same girls that faced Jennie Finch and the gang of USA softball players.

i have always told her, when you want to be done...just say the word... And it's over... But I think the love she has is far greater than the desire to give it up.