Hit Batters...ugh!!!

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I was at an NSA tournament this weekend and saw the same call blown 3 times by 3 different umpires. During the tournament, I was talking to a group of umpires and asked them the right call for the situation and out of the 6 of them, only 1 knew the right call. Why is this rule so hard for people to understand??

If a batter swings at a ball and the ball hits them they do not get 1st base, it is a strike!!!

Rule 1 - Definitions
sec. 7 Batter Hit By Pitch: A legal or illegally pitched ball that hits the batter's person or clothing, provided the batter does NOT strike at the pitched ball.

Rule 7 - Batting
sec. 7e The umpire calls a strike for each pitched ball swung at and missed which touches any part of the batter.
sec 7g The umpire calls a strike when a pitched ball hits the batter while the ball is in the strike zone

Thank you, I feel better now.

 

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That's what OFC is for. So you don't go home and take your frustrations out on the spousal unit.....

 

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Have had a similar situation with bunt attempt/hit by pitch. 2 ASA umpires 1 NSA umpire.

Player hit by pitch while attempting to bunt and does not pull the bat back. Seen it happen 6 times for us & against us, umpire gave them the base.

What made it most shocking to me is the umpires did not say they thought they pulled the bat back. Instead there explination was that because it is 10u (35 feet), and the pitchers were throwing hard, the batter has no time to pull the bat back or attempt to get out of the way. At least they could just say they thought the bat was pulled back LOL......

 

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DD had her perfect game ruined when a lefty stuck the bat out in a bunt positon, ran through the box, never pulled the bat back, and was hit on the TOP HAND. Ump awarded her first, not calling her out for bunting a foul third strike on a bunt attempt. Our coach(thank God) got the rule book out and got warned about arguing balls and strikes--this Ump has been reported.

 

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I hear you, just lie and at least make us feel like you know the rule!!

 

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That is OK.

I too was at an NSA tournament and saw a call that I am shocked about.

Girl gets walked.

Catcher throws ball back to pitcher so the ball is in the circle BEFORE runner gets to 1st.

Batter/runner rounds first, stops and goes back to 1st. Umpires puts on big show and calls her out for violating the look back rule. She did not stop on the base or anything.

I was shocked..............I have studied this rule in depth and this was in no way a violation. Unless NSA has special rules at 10U which I can not find.

 

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I like when the girl stands in the box, never moves, gets hit by the pitch, never moves, and the ump gives her the base.

What happened to making a reasonable effort to get out of the way?

 

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Well, the responses here prove that it's not just some umpires that get confused by this rule...

"Player hit by pitch while attempting to bunt and does not pull the bat back."

ASA does NOT require the batter to "pull back the bat" to take the pitch. A bat held over the plate does not automatically equal an offer at the pitch. If the bat is just held there, with no movement toward the ball, it's not considered "an offer" or "an attempt to bunt the pitch".

"A lefty stuck the bat out in a bunt positon, ran through the box, never pulled the bat back, and was hit on the TOP HAND. Ump awarded her first, not calling her out for bunting a foul third strike on a bunt attempt."

Do you really think that if a pitch hits the batter on the hand that it is a foul ball? Not even close, not even close...

 

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She is out. Once you have rounded first base for the continuous walk you cannot hesitate or stop unless the pitcher makes a play on you. If she turns and makes the play on you, you can do what is needed to avoid getting out but if you hesitate in anyway without the pitcher making a play, you are out.

 

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"A lefty stuck the bat out in a bunt positon, ran through the box, never pulled the bat back, and was hit on the TOP HAND. Ump awarded her first, not calling her out for bunting a foul third strike on a bunt attempt."

Do you really think that if a pitch hits the batter on the hand that is is a foul ball? Not even close, not even close...

Was her hands in the strike zone?

 

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She is out. Once you have rounded first base for the continuous walk you cannot hesitate or stop unless the pitcher makes a play on you. If she turns and makes the play on you, you can do what is needed to avoid getting out but if you hesitate in anyway without the pitcher making a play, you are out.

Klump...you're criticizing the umpires for not knowing the rules?

Your above post demonstrates a complete misunderstanding of the Look back Rule. Such a walked batter would NOT be out. A walked batter can round first base, stop once, then immediately advance or retreat non-stop to the next/previous base. Perfectly legal!

 

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What about those batters that drop an elbow and lean into a strike!!! Ugh!!

 

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Then you need to round up all the NSA umpires and explain that and the hit by pitch rule because we have been burned by it on NUMEROUS occasions. It has been explained to us by a UIC that the if they see hesitation in ANY way on the continous walk than they call them out, they must run non-stop to 2nd base. I've argued it and been told I was wrong over and over and over and over.

 

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She is out. Once you have rounded first base for the continuous walk you cannot hesitate or stop unless the pitcher makes a play on you. If she turns and makes the play on you, you can do what is needed to avoid getting out but if you hesitate in anyway without the pitcher making a play, you are out.

Klump, I believe this is incorrect. You can round first on the walk and then must immediately continue or go back. Rounding on a walk is a live ball situation no different from a base hit and subject to the same look back rules.

 

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Was her hands in the strike zone?

That's what I was thinking, it should still be a strike if her hand was in the strike zone.

 

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Then you need to round up all the NSA umpires and explain that and the hit by pitch rule because we have been burned by it on NUMEROUS occasions. It has been explained to us by a UIC that the if they see hesitation in ANY way on the continous walk than they call them out, they must run non-stop to 2nd base. I've argued it and been told I was wrong over and over and over and over.

Well that would be extremely frustrating. But the UIC would still be wrong. Maybe some of these umpires could give a list of the rules they don't understand about fastpitch so we don't get caught NOT violating a rule!

 

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Well that would be extremely frustrating. But the UIC would still be wrong. Maybe some of these umpires could give a list of the rules they don't understand about fastpitch so we don't get caught NOT violating a rule!

I think you might be on to something Onthebucket. Instead of NSA and ASA handing out rule books at the beginning of the year, the umpires should hand out THEIR VERSION OF THE RULES before each game so the coaches know what rules they supposed to be following.

 

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Then you need to round up all the NSA umpires and explain that and the hit by pitch rule...

Nope. All I need to do is make sure I call this the right way in my own games.

I once read that there are something like 250,000 amateur umpires in the United States. Each of them have access to the same rule books, case books, websites and training materials that I do. But I realized a long time ago that the only umpire I have any real control over is...ME.

The rest of those guys are on their own!

 

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There are some great ones out there and some good ones out there, that is for sure. I just hate when I get one of the stinky ones.

 

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Proof again why the world needs a Bret Cloning Machine!! :yahoo: