Hitting and Hitters Discussion Hitting Batters???

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Watched a girl at 14u take a few to her elbow. She wore this huge padded brace on her elbow and hung out over the plate. When I mentioned it to blue he shrugged it off. I then asked him for her to remove it to see if she would still stick it out ovet the plate. He stated it was a saftey device and legal. Watched this girl in 3 games and get hit 4 out of 9 ab. Any thing close to inside she stuck her elbow into it. Thud, that's all you heard. Didn't bother her at all.
 
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Good post hitter. Was it more acceptable years ago to police the game yourself. My dad is in his 60s and he told me when he pitched and the opposing batter came up close to the plate during his warm-up pitches to time him up, well he would have slippery fingers and acidentally let one fly at the would be batter. After he plunked them, he would say ,"Oops, it slipped, you might want to stay in the on-deck circle." ::)
 
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At the 10u level we faced the same team 4 times in the final game of tournaments. This opposing team, which was one of the best 10u teams in Ohio, in 3 of the 4 games and every time we would make a move on going ahead or catching up they would bring in their one pitcher that is a big girl that throws the ball very hard. It was interesting to watch in each game, when the hot hitter would come up to bat, they would be hit by a pitch. What I witnessed was two of the three batters, a right hander and a left hander, where both hit on their leading elbows while the third hitter was hit in her knee. These batters were not leaning over the plate. This pitcher only threw fastballs and is pretty darn actuate. I can not prove it but I do believe these pitches were intentional based on the pitcher's reaction, no remorse or concern, and the wink from the coach to the pitcher.
 
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i think it would be crazy to even think of hitting an umpire!...if anything you wanna be as nice as possible to the ump...b4 each game i go up to the umpire and introduce myself (getting on their good side) you want to protect your umpire as much as possible and be as curtious as possible
 
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Wow, my daughters have played in many games where they or one of their teammates were hit intentionally. Shoot, one of my oldest daughter's hs practice resulted in an intentional hit by another pitcher. It was the pitcher's way of saying -stay off my turf.- While it hurts at the time, they soon forget the pain and start to show off their bruise.

As pitchers, my daughters didn't have coaches who called intentional hit that I know of. I know though that they hated those times when a coach called an intentional walk.
 
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I might be able to help bretman anticipate the hit the umpire sign. Meeting at the mound and several players look at the home plate ump, catcher looks for the umpires location and the frustrated hard throwing pitcher starts smiling - call time and get out of there! Coaches can also look for this and read facial expressions and hope you havn't used your 2 trips to the mound if she is your stud pitcher.

Seriously, as a coach or parent, I would NEVER encourage a pitcher to hit a batter or an ump and it never happened but just letting everyone know what can thru minds of pitchers and catchers. Pitchers have that blank stare and you always wondered what they were thinking.

I'll guarentee that most people on this site have ran across an umpire that deep down in their evil soul, and under their breath, wished that something like this (or worse) would happen. I got along with 91.6% of all umpires and not starting ump bashing (I umped a couple of games and no way) just listened and watched too many parents along the fences. Stay light.
 
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I don't believe that I've ever been intentionally plunked by a frustrated pitcher- or been allowed to be hit by a frustrated catcher, either. Been hit plenty of times, but never on purpose as far as I can tell.

If I suspected that I was- and it would be hard to prove 100%- depending on the situation my reaction might range from a stern warning to an immediate ejection of F1 and/or F2- and possibly a coach if I had any inkling that it was done at his direction. But I'd have to have some pretty strong evidence that this was an intentional act.

While it might be tough to "prove" 100%, this ain't a court of law and I don't need evidence beyond a shadow of a doubt! If it's my judgment that the act was intentional, that is good enough to "convict". Like I said, it has never come up before and I sincerely hope that it never does. The umpire is in a very vulnerable position and the risk of serious injury from such action is too great to ignore.

As for batters being hit, I'm surprised by how many umpires just routinely award first base, even when the batter's actions- sticking out an elbow or purposely moving into the pitch- violates the intent of the rule. This past season I kept several batters at the plate for purposely moving into the pitch and allowing it to hit them. This will usually get an incredulous look from the batter and a quick follow-up discussion with the coach.

Batters might think that they're "getting away with one", but if these are called corectly the batter's efforts will not get them a free base- just a well-earned lesson and a potentially painful ball or strike!
 
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Any justification/rule for an umpire to threaten to remove a pitcher due to batters being hit? I had a 12U game last year where the umpire called me aside as a coach and warned me that the next batter to be hit would result in my being instructed to remove my pitcher. Pitcher was a lefty with great movement before the ball came to the plate. She had hit 2 batters that inning, on the hands or wrists, but no one made an attempt to move. Batters hanging over the strike zone and struck batters were awarded a base. He didn't care.

When I told him (very nicely) that he would have to toss me from the game before he tossed my pitcher, he was very indignant. He said I was not looking out for the safety of the girls. Any talk of batters attempting to move was lost.

What to do?
 
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Is it illegal to crowd the plate? when a players is still legally in the box? My DD is learning how to slap and bats lefty only (she is right handed) and she is taught to go to the front of the box when making contact, to make sure she doesn't bail she wears a protective elbow pad. Is this wrong? I've seen many girls lose heart after getting hit hard.

At the same time I tell my other daughter she needs to pitch in and out and don't be afraid if a girl crowds the plate because she still needs to pitch inside.
 
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Rolaids13 said:
Is it illegal to crowd the plate?

No. What may be misinterpreted by many umpires is that if a batter gets hit by a ball in the strike zone the correct call is a; dead ball, strike, no award of a base.

Also, a ball thrown out of the strike zone the batter has the obligation to make a reasonable attempt to avoid the pitch.
 
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Ram- I'm glad you brought it up. I was afraid to. Last summer we played a 12U team where the #2 batter leaned in(back over plate in strike zone) and got hit by pitch on back first 2 times up to bat. Umpire awarded her the base both times. I guess if it works the 1st time-why not try it again. Umpire refused to listen to reason. Do coaches really tell girls to GET hit or is this just a coincidence?
 
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Intentionally pitching at the batter is an unsportsmanlike act and grounds for ejection. The umpire needs to use his best judgment in determining if the act is intentional or malicious. If the act is judged to be intentional, the best course of action- from a game management standpoint, to prevent any escalation or retaliation- is to eject on the spot. But I'm going to need some pretty strong evidence to convice me that the act was intentional.

Hit batters are a part of the game. Pitches get away, pitcher's lose control and batters can (legally) crowd the plate. There is no standard rule that says a pitcher must be removed if she has hit "X" number of batters and certainly no rule directing the umpire to order a coach to remove a pitcher for hitting batters.

I will note that I have seen some local leagues add a rule that a pitcher must be removed after hiting, say, three batters. That is not a standard rule found in any of the major sanctioning body's rule books. Such misguided rules are usually added under the umbrella of "safety". They effectively take away an umpire's judgment and force all hit batter's to be weighed equally. A pitch clocking the batter in the helmet must be regarded the same as a perfectly legal pitch that is slightly inside and barely brushes the batter's jersey. Such a rule can actually encourage batters to allow themselves to be hit, as the incentive is there to get a tough pitcher removed from the game.

Issuing a warning that "the next hit batter gets your pitcher removed" is not a recommended game management technique, for the same reasons that putting a limit on the number of hit batters noted above can backfire. An umpire making such a warning is over-stepping his bounds. If it's judged to be intentional, eject and end the problem. If it's not intentional, it's just a part of the game and there are no grounds for removing the pitcher.

As for crowding the plate, a batter may position herself anywhere as long as both feet are entirely within the batter's box. The box is six inches away from the plate. If the batter is closer than that the umpire should call time and instruct the batter to properly position herself before allowing the pitcher to pitch.

If the batter is hit within the strike zone, or in front of the plate, thus preventing the pitch from entering the strike zone, as cshilt notes above the correct call is dead ball, strike to the batter and no award of first base.
 
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Bretman

My understanding of the rule is if it is a strike, it is a strike, whether it hits the batter or not. If a batter swings at a ball outside of the strike zone and manages to get hit, (it happens) my understanding of the rule is; dead ball strike on the batter. Am I correct in this?
 
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TiJaLeII said:
Bretman

My understanding of the rule is if it is a strike, it is a strike, whether it hits the batter or not. If a batter swings at a ball outside of the strike zone and manages to get hit, (it happens) my understanding of the rule is; dead ball strike on the batter. Am I correct in this?

Here is the definition from the 2007 NSA rulebook (highlight added):

Sec. 7 BATTER HIT BY PITCH: A legal or illegally pitched ball that hits the batter's person or clothing, [highlight]provided the batter does not strike at the pitched ball.[/highlight] The plate umpire will award first base to the batter hit by the pitch. Any runners will advance one base if forced due to the batter being awarded first base. If an illegal pitch hits the batter, all baserunners will advance one base without liability to be put out.
EXCEPTION: If the batter makes no effort to avoid being hit by the pitched ball or if the umpire calls the pitched ball a strike, the ball striking the batter is disregarded, and the ball is dead. The pitched ball is a strike or ball depending on the location of the pitched ball.
 
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The highlighted part above is reinforced by NSA rule 7-7(e).

The umpire calls a strike...for each pitched ball swung at and missed which touches any part of the batter.

And they really must want this point reinforced! A little bit further in the same section, under rule 7-11(a):

The batter is out...When the 3rd strike is struck at and missed including if the ball touches any part of the batter's person.

Okay, okay...we get the point! ;D
 

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