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Good catch Chris. It's not Cat. Look at Cat's profiile sheet and she is 6 ' 2" and bats Left. I watched her play last summer, but they never let her bat and didn't catch this till you brought it up.

 

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Good catch Chris. It's not Cat. Look at Cat's profiile sheet and she is 6 ' 2" and bats Left. I watched her play last summer, but they never let her bat and didn't catch this till you brought it up.

Gerry is this one of your kids as you posted it as one of the twins?

You want to see most of Cat go buy ESPN the magazine from last week....

 

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MOST OF CAT , boy was that a play on words!
Here is what Howard is talking about.
http://media.www.depauliaonline.com...ssue-3805731.shtml?refsource=collegeheadlines
Many of us are not happy about this. It sends the wrong message to young girls.

 

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Len.

What do you see in the swing that would make you think that.

Interesting point.


Gerry

Gerry

When Cat straightens out her front leg after heel plant she is literally pushing her hips and trunk into her rear leg as the bat head travels to the ball. So, instead of staying in attack mode during rotation she (her hips and upper body) is travelling slightly in reverse, hence the resistance.

Len

 

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This does not appear to be Cat Osterman, besides the fact that this person is batting right handed, there appears to be a height discrepancy. I don't think it is a bad swing, btw, just not Osterman.

Cshilt
Nobody said this was cat osterman.

Gerry




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When Cat straightens out her front leg after heel plant she is literally pushing her hips and trunk into her rear leg as the bat head travels to the ball. So, instead of staying in attack mode during rotation she (her hips and upper body) is travelling slightly in reverse, hence the resistance.

Len



Len
I dont know if Cat does any resistance training.
Once in a while you will see a MLB player transfer the weight fully with the back foot straight down and still hit off a firm front straightleg.
Almost like they put there weight back to center.

Will have to look at more swings and ponder this.






Gerry

 

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Her swing does not resemble good throwing technique; I have never seen anyone who throws well, push back on their follow through.

 

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Her swing does not resemble good throwing technique; I have never seen anyone who throws well, push back on their follow through.

Chip
When a MLB player say Albert ends up with a straight front leg in there swing. ( not every swing, but some he does at follow through)
They are hitting against a firm front leg. I am not saying they push back but where is the weight?



Not to forward - dont push back.

Is there weight in the center? The have the weight shift and stop it against the leg with out pushing backwards?


To me its like a fine line.


Am I seeing this right.





Gerry

 

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Gerry is this one of your kids as you posted it as one of the twins?

Howard
This is not one of the twins I have worked with. This was posted by there dad.
I dont work with this girl.

Looks like she hits it hard.


Does she have alittle bat drag in her swing?


Gerry

 

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Gerry in my opinion the swing went south when she landed flat footed and the linear phase of her swing stopped suddenly instead of continuing to flow forward to heel plant on a flexed front knee....the front side opened and the rest is history, you can even see the blur in the bat path which looks like she is casting out around the ball from the front side opening....elbows and knob leading did not happen since she is opening too soon.

I do not consider her squishing the bug otherwise you would see the heel more in the frame going out and around and the ankle more. If you put a ball by her back foot heel she would probably not kick it however she is not driving off on the back toe efficiently either.

Get her to land on the inside edge of the front foot more and get her to feel it by taking her shoe and sock off as she should be able to move her baby toe IF she is on the inside edge of her foot or what is termed eversion....if that does not work try the bucket.

Tell her dad when he films them to be aware it is easier to see what she is doing if she is not blending in with the back ground.

Yes it looks like bat drag from the blur and hand path....is she from around here or did you pick it up off U Tube?

 

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Gerry in my opinion the swing went south when she landed flat footed and the linear phase of her swing stopped suddenly instead of continuing to flow forward to heel plant on a flexed front knee....the front side opened and the rest is history, you can even see the blur in the bat path which looks like she is casting out around the ball from the front side opening....elbows and knob leading did not happen since she is opening too soon.

I do not consider her squishing the bug otherwise you would see the heel more in the frame going out and around and the ankle more. If you put a ball by her back foot heel she would probably not kick it however she is not driving off on the back toe efficiently either.

Get her to land on the inside edge of the front foot more and get her to feel it by taking her shoe and sock off as she should be able to move her baby toe IF she is on the inside edge of her foot or what is termed eversion....if that does not work try the bucket.

Tell her dad when he films them to be aware it is easier to see what she is doing if she is not blending in with the back ground.

Yes it looks like bat drag from the blur and hand path....is she from around here or did you pick it up off U Tube?

Anytime your stride gets too long there is no way you can get your back side to flow smoothly foward.

Also the long stride will keep you from getting toe up, and a combination of heal up and bug sqishing will happen.
followed by flying open because that is the only move left unless you fall forward or settle back wich is what I think we see here.

 

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She might even get away with the longer stride if she had not stepped flat foot and started the front side to open so quickly....look at AP swing and he starts wider than most MLB hitters and only strides about 3.5 inches however his weight shift is amazing and when you go frame per frame you see his athleticism....even the girl can be seen trying to look like him....look closely at how she is up on her toe and her lead foot even rolls over the to the outside a little and the arch in her back.

Again the swing went south on the flat foot instant heel plant, and linear phase coming to a halt prior to the elbow starting to slot. She could be a great hitter with a little help.

 

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Chip
When a MLB player say Albert ends up with a straight front leg in there swing. ( not every swing, but some he does at follow through)
They are hitting against a firm front leg. I am not saying they push back but where is the weight?



Not to forward - dont push back.

Is there weight in the center? The have the weight shift and stop it against the leg with out pushing backwards?


To me its like a fine line.


Am I seeing this right.





Gerry

Take look at Albert Pujos then look at the young lady, Pujos is a genetic freak, big, strong and athletic. Pujos could hit bomb after bomb on either foot. To compare young ladies to MLB hitters is not exact.

 

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She might even get away with the longer stride if she had not stepped flat foot and started the front side to open so quickly....look at AP swing and he starts wider than most MLB hitters and only strides about 3.5 inches however his weight shift is amazing and when you go frame per frame you see his athleticism....even the girl can be seen trying to look like him....look closely at how she is up on her toe and her lead foot even rolls over the to the outside a little and the arch in her back.

Again the swing went south on the flat foot instant heel plant, and linear phase coming to a halt prior to the elbow starting to slot. She could be a great hitter with a little help.

Very well said
(however his weight shift is amazing and when you go frame per frame you see his ATHLETICISM...even the girl can be seen trying to look like him..)

The only problem is there is only one ALBERT and one Bustos you cannot possible believe that she can get any wider and have a good base to hit from, these kids are not upper body strong enough to hit like that.

 

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She might even get away with the longer stride if she had not stepped flat foot and started the front side to open so quickly....look at AP swing and he starts wider than most MLB hitters and only strides about 3.5 inches however his weight shift is amazing and when you go frame per frame you see his athleticism....even the girl can be seen trying to look like him....look closely at how she is up on her toe and her lead foot even rolls over the to the outside a little and the arch in her back.

Again the swing went south on the flat foot instant heel plant, and linear phase coming to a halt prior to the elbow starting to slot. She could be a great hitter with a little help.

That girl did not land flat footed, her feet were too wide at toe touch and it appears to me she went immediately to heel plant. She is not hitting in an athletic position.

 

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Yeah......
I see her going to toe touch first also, however it is not a pronounced as AP's. I do not see her up on her rear toes, to me it looks like she is actually exerting force at the point between where her toes end and the ball of her foot begins. Her weight is shifting back as she swings the bat through the zone.

Len

 

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Just to clarify, this is not one of my daughters, just a video I found on you tube of what I thought was a pretty decent swing. I believe the statement, there is only one Albert and one Crystal says it all.

 

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That girl did not land flat footed, her feet were too wide at toe touch and it appears to me she went immediately to heel plant. She is not hitting in an athletic position.

Chip look closely at her front foot....did she land on all 5 toes?

Did she land on the inside edge of her foot?

The heel it self is up however she landed on the ball of the foot and stopped her linear phase of her swing and became rigid to soon causing the front side to open in my opinion.

When a human being walks the small toe touches down first and then each toe follows till finally the big toe stabilizes the foot. When hitting we want eversion or stepping more on the inside edge of the foot so the hip continues to move and does not stop until we plant the heel.

Review any of the elite players swings and you will probably see it....then look at Lovie Jung and she also steps flat footed however like AP she has it in her hips and athleticism and makes up for it.

I never suggested she should step that wide however I would not tell AP to change either if the data supported the technique. Could AP hit it further...look at the home run derby as to distance and he does not hit it as far or as often however he makes more money than all of us put together and as long as it goes over the wall it counts what changes would you make if he played on your team?

Go to U Tube and look at CB's 308.5 foot shot in 2004 Gold Medal game and tell me if she landed flat footed or on the inside edge of her lead foot.

 

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Howard, It is a U Tube film, not exactly HDTV, it is however crystal clear to me that her heel does not hit first, seriously if you have to be right then you are. What does CB have to do with this girls landing? I would put CB right up there with Pujos, hitting bombs off either foot, they got it like that.

 

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Howard, It is a U Tube film, not exactly HDTV, it is however crystal clear to me that her heel does not hit first, seriously if you have to be right then you are. What does CB have to do with this girls landing? I would put CB right up there with Pujos, hitting bombs off either foot, they got it like that.

Go to U Tube and look at CB's 308.5 foot shot in 2004 Gold Medal game and tell me if she landed flat footed or on the inside edge of her lead foot. We looked at AP doing it right as an athlete and player, now look at the girl and what she is trying to do and that is copy an elite athletes swing.

IF the girl in the U TUBE may have landed more on the inside edge of the foot verses being more flat footed she may have had different results and looked much more differently. I looked at and reviewed the same clip as you did. The reference to CB is only to see the difference of the inside of the foot verses landing on all 5 toes and is not a point of contention verses actuality.

I am not trying to be right or wrong and only see what I see and trying to share what I thought I saw using what was posted which others have viewed also and commented on.

The glass may be half empty or half full....good discussion however.

 

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I think the main frames of this video to look at are seconds 31-33. The point of impact with the ball. Most every swing has variations up to this point. If your dd can get to the point of impact like either this girl or Albert then they have a pretty dam good swing. You can nit pick the hell out of the little things in her or his swing. Doesn't change the fact that at the most crucial point of the swing they look pretty close to identical.

My point is that like in golf, the swings can be very different but at the point of impact is when it all counts. Yes, we all strive for perfection but human beings are in capable of achieving that on every single swing. Professional golfers have hit more balls then any softball player has thought about hitting but still they slice or pull the ball when it counts and that ball is not moving at 50 plus miles per hour.

One final point to my rant and here it is: there is only one Crystal, Albert or Michael Jordan. You can try and emulate them and even come pretty close but the results will not be the same. These are the best of the best and telling me what any one of these individuals has done does not mean my child is capable of achieving the same even if they do things exactly like them. Yes I know, it won't hurt them either or will it?

Give me nine girl's with this type of swing, oops I mean ten because I need the dp/flex since she probably can't throw either. Geez!!!