Hitting Opinions and Absolutes

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Where can you get these at? and how much do they cost.. Is Ebay a good place to look for them? They look like a good way to add another dimention to your hitting workout..

 

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http://softball-tips.com/powergloves.html
Around $40.00

 

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Just curious. Can any of you actually execute this stuff that you are preaching on here? I know of one who can back up what he teaches.

But I sit here and read this and try to execute what you all are talking about and can't see how it would help any. Some people are just freaks when it comes to hitting Bustos, Bonds (a 400-400 guy before he supposedly took anything), Pujols. Not saying they didn't work at their craft, but they got it from the guy upstairs, not the guy in the garage or up the road.

Hitters are like fingerprints, none are the same from person to person. So why do people insist on teaching/coaching the same thing to every player? What I see missed the most is hitting the outside pitch with authority. Why just hit it, when you can drive it. My guess is what you see a majority of the time is weak ground balls to a middle infielder.

I was lucky enough to be somewhere with Chip when I heard the Roses' talk about hitting. They talked about hitting gap to gap, which is roughly 40% of the field, thats where everyone's power is. Leaving you 60% for mistakes. Not to mention it gives you a "target" to lock in on when you are in a funk, not that you try and hit that target to injure it. Dusty Baker recently said "to be a pull hitter you have to be perfect every swing". So why would the focus not be on driving the ball back thru the middle? Not to mention this is the biggest hole on the field.

 

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BC 21 dont know where this is leading but I would be more than happy at anytime to show you personaly what we teach, just let me know, I like to share knowledge and will get a couple of kids i work with and use them as demonstration models.

I think you,ll find that Chip,s teachings and what we teach are not as far apart as this thread makes it seem.

Tim

 

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So why would the focus not be on driving the ball back thru the middle? Not to mention this is the biggest hole on the field.

Every legitimate coach I have ever heard or saw, teaches hit it up the middle. Who are you seeing that teaches not to do it that way. Does Chip not teach it that way? Just curious.

 

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BC 21 dont know where this is leading but I would be more than happy at anytime to show you personaly what we teach, just let me know, I like to share knowledge and will get a couple of kids i work with and use them as demonstration models.

I think you,ll find that Chip,s teachings and what we teach are not as far apart as this thread makes it seem.

Tim

Tim,

Not trying to get it to lead anywhere really. And I won't say someone is right or another is wrong.

I'm fairly new, about 7/8 years, to the fast pitch game. Did some volunteer time at a local college helping out and really enjoyed & learned tons from the 2 coaches there. Great respect for both of them & anyone else who dedicates their time to make others better.
The way look at it is: someone taught us, why shouldn't we pass on the knowledge we have gained.

My big question is where the philosophy comes from in fast pitch that all hitters are the same & need to do the exact same thing. I was taught comfort & tweaked things from there.

I have several kids I work with individually, ages 6, 10, 12, 15 & my 11 month old. I want them confident 1st, comfortable 2nd. the rest is minor adjustments IMO.

I'm just looking to learn more. Basically I'm a student of the game. And if we were to meet up sometime, I would have my batting gloves & bat with me. Seeing it is one thing, I like doing it. They say you learn something new everyday. Being a "newbie", I'm looking for tomorrow.

 

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We agree that everyone is different, the trick is finding that right way to teach someone thru those differences.
Although we all have different styles, but when we get to the point of importance wich is contact ,That is where the RVP has become an invaluable tool, and gives us the ability to find and correct an issue wich may take away power or ability from the hitter.
We have multiple drills for hitting the ball back up the middle, and if the swing is done properly with the proper pitch thats where it will go. But as we all know the perfect pitch is not always going to be given so we teach our girls to adjust and hit with force at what ever the pitcher decides to throw us.
I do understand being a student of the game and thats why i offerd to meet and discuss hitting and show what we do. and not only show but to see how you teach it.
And please by all means bring your bat, i agree the best way to find and fix something is to feel it firsthand.
Feel free to Email me anytime and we will set it up

Tim

 

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Tim,

Not trying to get it to lead anywhere really. And I won't say someone is right or another is wrong.

I'm fairly new, about 7/8 years, to the fast pitch game. Did some volunteer time at a local college helping out and really enjoyed & learned tons from the 2 coaches there. Great respect for both of them & anyone else who dedicates their time to make others better.
The way look at it is: someone taught us, why shouldn't we pass on the knowledge we have gained.

My big question is where the philosophy comes from in fast pitch that all hitters are the same & need to do the exact same thing. I was taught comfort & tweaked things from there.

I have several kids I work with individually, ages 6, 10, 12, 15 & my 11 month old. I want them confident 1st, comfortable 2nd. the rest is minor adjustments IMO.

I'm just looking to learn more. Basically I'm a student of the game. And if we were to meet up sometime, I would have my batting gloves & bat with me. Seeing it is one thing, I like doing it. They say you learn something new everyday. Being a "newbie", I'm looking for tomorrow.

The swing we make mechanical at first, and teach it, the same to all.
As tim states sometimes you have to think out side the box and find a new way to teach the same thing to a different student.


As the hitter understands the mechanics and practice's then the comfort and little style differences will start to come in play, and can be added in by the player.




Straightleg

 

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Every legitimate coach I have ever heard or saw, teaches hit it up the middle. Who are you seeing that teaches not to do it that way. Does Chip not teach it that way? Just curious.

If it is being taught, then its not being executed.

This has nothing to do with Chip or any specific coach. Its what I see during games.

 

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The swing we make mechanical at first, and teach it, the same to all.
As tim states sometimes you have to think out side the box and find a new way to teach the same thing to a different student.


As the hitter understands the mechanics and practice's then the comfort and little style differences will start to come in play, and can be added in by the player.

Straightleg

I don't want mechanical. I want a more natural swing. And since everyone's swing is different, why would we teach them all the same things?

Also, I'm not trying to teach the same thing to each student. I handle each student individually, not try to shove them all in to the same mold. None of them hit the same, nor will they.

 

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If it is being taught, then its not being executed.

Huh, that is an aweful broad stroke to paint on every single player or coach. As you said, you are still learning, so you might not recognize it being executed. I would really like to know what you are looking for? Are you expecting every hit to go up the middle?

 

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I don't want mechanical. I want a more natural swing. And since everyone's swing is different, why would we teach them all the same things?

Also, I'm not trying to teach the same thing to each student. I handle each student individually, not try to shove them all in to the same mold. None of them hit the same, nor will they.

But you have to have a baseline for a kid to get from point A to B. There has to be something in the swing that is modeled in every player that you teach, called a focal point. Just not sure I understand what you are trying to accomplish. You aren't teaching or changing anything in a swing if it isnt a little mechanical at first. That is just natural when you make adjustments. You have break 10000's reps they did it the wrong way.

 

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But you have to have a baseline for a kid to get from point A to B. There has to be something in the swing that is modeled in every player that you teach, called a focal point. Just not sure I understand what you are trying to accomplish. You aren't teaching or changing anything in a swing if it isnt a little mechanical at first. That is just natural when you make adjustments. You have break 10000's reps they did it the wrong way.

I agree 100%

 

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I don't want mechanical. I want a more natural swing. And since everyone's swing is different, why would we teach them all the same things?

Also, I'm not trying to teach the same thing to each student. I handle each student individually, not try to shove them all in to the same mold. None of them hit the same, nor will they.

If you are teaching and learning. Take Tim up on his offer.
See what we do. What have you got to loose?



Straightleg

 

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Games Played:
OK we can all talk the talk , but how about some RESULTS. This is from a college WSU Divn 1 that implemented the hitting approach that Tim is talking about. This doesn't show the National ranking in the top 10 of each of these stats. So we can debate on here all you want. Coach Larabee had an open mind and decided to implement this system. If college kids that have learned one way for 18 years now change and can get these type of results, don't you think somone would want to at least look at the methods or how he obtained these results.


2007 - 60
2008 - 59

At Bats:
2007 - 1579
2008 - 1683

Batting Avg.:
2007 - .258
2008 - .315

Runs Scored:
2007 - 227
2008 - 345

Hits:
2007 - 408
2008 - 530

2B's
2007 - 57
2008 - 86

3B's:
2007 - 12
2008 - 21

HR's:
2007 - 22
2008 - 67

RBI's:
2007 - 180
2008 - 316

Total Bases:
2007 - 555
2008 - 859

Slugging %:
2007 - .351
2008 - .510

On Base %:
2007 - .324
2008 - .374


Six returning starters B/AVG. :

'07 - '08

.345 - .469
.266 - .379
.297 - .365
.250 - .306
.211 - .275
.170 - .244

 

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Here are some of the National Rankings......Awesome year WSU!

As a team, the Raiders were fifth in triples per game (0.36), 10th in batting average (.315) and slugging percentage (.510), 12th in scoring (5.85) and home runs per game (1.14), 23rd in doubles per game (1.46).


National Team Rankings


Category - Rank - Actual

Batting Average - 10th - (.315)

Scoring - 12th - (5.85)

Home Runs Per Game - 12th - (1.14)

Doubles Per Game - 23rd - (1.46)

Triples Per Game - 5th - (0.36)

Slugging Percentage - 10th - (.510)

 

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Thanks Siderhawk. This was after one year, just think what they will do this year!

 

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wow then wsu must sure be doing real good this year. they must be scoring lots of runs each game now that it is now so new to them now. wahts there stats this year?

 

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hchamcocg, WSU is off to a slow start again this year (3-5), same as this time last year. They've only been outside one tournament this year, so it's a little early to compare #'s.....but, it will be interesting to see how they compare to last year, as they have 8 returning starters. This years team has no Seniors, but lots of experience.....hopefully they'll get the bats going this weekend in Vegas!!

 

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Huh, that is an aweful broad stroke to paint on every single player or coach. As you said, you are still learning, so you might not recognize it being executed. I would really like to know what you are looking for? Are you expecting every hit to go up the middle?

Still learning doesn't mean new. Its not like I was just introduced to sports. I would think with 33 years of playing experience, not to mention countless games watched, I can tell when a hitter isn't doing what they are supposed to with pitches.