Is High School "conditioning" "mandatory"???

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Does your high school require you attend preseason conditioning -
forget about OHSAA rules because if you tick off the coach, it's JV for the year;

or does the coach "allow" you to go to private coaching, travel practice, speed training to enhance your softball skills

How effective is your schools preseason program and is it run by parents?

 

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Go to conditioning. School ball is a short season. Utilize what is offered. Butt heads and yes, go play JV and no one will ever hear about your kid. Let your kid have fun and be a leader if that ability is in her. Come on.

 

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All pre-season conditioning is voluntary. I don't know of any coach who would not allow other softball conditioning during this period. Parents are usually not involved and whenever you get ladies doing softball drills in December, it's effective.

 

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Here may be these will help!

OHSAA 4.10) Mandatory attendance at instructional programs is not permitted. A coach, paid or unpaid, violates this provision when the coach suggests or in any way implies that a student’s chance to be selected for an interscholastic squad is contingent upon participation in an instructional program.

OHSAA 5.2) Physical fitness programs may be conducted at any time, indoors or outdoors, and are not a violation of OHSAA bylaws and regulations as long as there is no coaching and instruction of sports techniques and skills.

OHSAA 5.6) Mandatory attendance at out-of-season physical fitness programs is not permitted. A coach, paid or unpaid, violates this provision when the coach suggests or in any way implies that a student’s chance to be selected for an interscholastic squad is contingent upon participation in a physical fitness program.

You may find more at the following link.
http://www.ohsaa.org/sports/rglts/GenSportsReg08-09.pdf

Hope this helps!

 

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Here may be these will help!

OHSAA 4.10) Mandatory attendance at instructional programs is not permitted. A coach, paid or unpaid, violates this provision when the coach suggests or in any way implies that a student?s chance to be selected for an interscholastic squad is contingent upon participation in an instructional program.

OHSAA 5.2) Physical fitness programs may be conducted at any time, indoors or outdoors, and are not a violation of OHSAA bylaws and regulations as long as there is no coaching and instruction of sports techniques and skills.

OHSAA 5.6) Mandatory attendance at out-of-season physical fitness programs is not permitted. A coach, paid or unpaid, violates this provision when the coach suggests or in any way implies that a student?s chance to be selected for an interscholastic squad is contingent upon participation in a physical fitness program.

You may find more at the following link.
http://www.ohsaa.org/sports/rglts/GenSportsReg08-09.pdf

Hope this helps!

Thank you!!!
I don't want to here the rah rah stuff about let them be kids and team togetherness. If the kid can get intense drilling with privates or travel team, do that. High School coaches should leave kids alone if they choose to do more intense to get better. Once HS starts, then they are theirs. It's bull to hold a grudge and not play the kid because the coach's ego.

 

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May be the coach needs an Attitude Check! and needs to read the By-Laws in which governs High School Sports. (OHSAA 5.2) Physical fitness programs may be conducted at any time, indoors or outdoors, and are not a violation of OHSAA bylaws and regulations as long as there is no coaching and instruction of sports techniques and skills.) Technically the coach is to have "ZERO CONTACT" with their Softball Players at this time, if you feel the coach maybe in violation then contact the OHSAA and voice your complaint through them, chances are talking with the Schools A.D. will get you no where.

 

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May be the coach needs an Attitude Check! and needs to read the By-Laws in which governs High School Sports. (OHSAA 5.2) Physical fitness programs may be conducted at any time, indoors or outdoors, and are not a violation of OHSAA bylaws and regulations as long as there is no coaching and instruction of sports techniques and skills.) Technically the coach is to have "ZERO CONTACT" with their Softball Players at this time, if you feel the coach maybe in violation then contact the OHSAA and voice your complaint through them, chances are talking with the Schools A.D. will get you no where.

Maybe the parent needs an attitude check?

 

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Touche' Could be!

 

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Thank you!!!
Once HS starts, then they are theirs. It's bull to hold a grudge and not play the kid because the coach's ego.

EGO? WHAT EGO?...come on you know it happens in every sport ;&. Unless your child is a favorite or is soooo good they can't help but put you on the varsity because of need, you are going to pay for not attending their conditioning. Keep in mind there are alot of coaches and I am not saying all, but alot that want 110% commitment to them from the time you even show an interest in their sport.

HS Conditioning Mandatory??? NO that would be against the rules!!!:lmao:.... HS Conditioning STRONGLY SUGGESTED or pay the consequences??? YES, see it all the time in ALL sports . Welcome to HIGH SCHOOL SPORTS!

 

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I don't see the big deal. Why not just play the game. My daughter goes to the high school conditioning 2 days a week and then she just lets her paid trainer know what they are doing and he designs her workouts accordingly.
Take advantage of everything offered, especially when it is free.
Why does everything have to be an us vs them situation between travel and high school. There are ways to make it work to your daughter's advantage.

 

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Why does everything have to be an us vs them situation between travel and high school. There are ways to make it work to your daughter's advantage.

Perhaps HS coaches aren't the only ones with "egos"?? Heaven forbid a HS school coach expecting the same commitment out of all of the girls even though "my little super star has a personal trainer".

 

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This is about High School conditioning - making it mandatory although it has to be "shh shhh shhhhhhh, don't tell anyone" because it is suppose to be voluntary. And if you don't show, you are not a good team player and it is all about you, which are selfish. Now the player is condemned to JV or labeled a "bad attitude"

For the nay slayers, if it isn't mandatory then why go if you have someplace else better that will make you a much better player. Again, I don't want to hear the bunk about togetherness, unity - there are plenty of places to get that social stuff.

Just because someone is in the minority does not make them wrong, which is the same as just because a high school player chooses to get better with their travel team in compliance with the high school rules, it is a shame the high school coach crucifies them!!!!

 

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Perhaps HS coaches aren't the only ones with "egos"?? Heaven forbid a HS school coach expecting the same commitment out of all of the girls even though "my little super star has a personal trainer".

Has anyone ever considerd something, that one superstar you are refering to is probably the 1% of high school, players that go on to play college ball, what difference does it make if she recieves her training from a personal trainer out side of the school, let her advance, if shes that good im betting she plays year round, pratices year round, has a different mindset than 95% of the other players on her team about the sport, let her contribuite to the team and make it better, if i were a high school coach and had a girl that good, i would be estatic after seeing some of the rec type players that only play ball 2 to 3 months out of the year, the same parents that sit and complain about how one or two elite players on the team that dont use school functions for conditioning or skill advancement are the same parents that sit and moan about how the school team cant compete and its automaticly the coaches fault, i agree about taking advantage of what ever you can do for your dd to make her better if that is realy what she wants, if not theres always the same old same old , its a personal choice

 

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I don't understand what the problem is! You appear to understand and know the rules of the game, now learn to play it to your dd advantage. Complaining and making waves is totally counter productive. Could it be that your dd is so talented it would set a great example for the rest of the girls?! She has an opportunity to be a leader and probably improve those around her. What more could a proud parent hope for??!!

Does the coach have conditioning every day of the week? If not, there is still plenty of time to visit your personal trainer. How about time to be a kid or have we all become so consumed with chasing a scholarship that we have forgotten about that aspect. I hear people all the time talking about how hard they force their dd to work in pursuit of the scholarship simply to save themself some $$ on college. I used to think like that until one day I realized how utterly selfish I was being, taking away the most enjoyable years of my dd life to save me some $$. Too many parents have lost sight of what is truly important. I thank God that I woke up before it was too late. When my dd wants to workout, pitch, hit or whatever it is totally her choice when and how much. She is so much happier and actually asks to go more than we ever did before.

 

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Does your high school require you attend preseason conditioning -
forget about OHSAA rules because if you tick off the coach, it's JV for the year;

or does the coach "allow" you to go to private coaching, travel practice, speed training to enhance your softball skills

How effective is your schools preseason program and is it run by parents?

Why are you complaining to us?

It looks like you have two potential issues:

You think that a personal trainer will provide a better experience than the high school program:

Maybe, but conditioning is more than a weekly event. Have your conditioning coach CALL the HS coach and ask what the coach will be having DD do in the HS program. The conditioning coach should not challenge the workout plans of the HS, but explain that they will design complementary workouts that will reinforce what the coaches need.

You think that the coach is making this mandatory:

Well, I think the point about going to the HS conditioning first, and working other plans around it are perfectly reasonable. If DD has to miss a session because of another inflexible commitment (school choir concert, single day seminar, family commitment) the coach should understand. Scheduling another regular activity designed to do the same thing seems to be shouting at the wind, in my opinion.

If the coach comes right out and says that sessions are mandatory, then complain to athletic director (see: "shouting at the wind"). Complain to OHSAA. Complain to school board.

My guess is that you haven't talked to the coach about it. Take point 1 above, go to coach, and let them know that the conditioning coach that you have on retainer will be calling to help customize DD's off-season workout schedule.

 

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This is about High School conditioning - making it mandatory although it has to be "shh shhh shhhhhhh, don't tell anyone" because it is suppose to be voluntary. And if you don't show, you are not a good team player and it is all about you, which are selfish. Now the player is condemned to JV or labeled a "bad attitude"

For the nay slayers, if it isn't mandatory then why go if you have someplace else better that will make you a much better player. Again, I don't want to hear the bunk about togetherness, unity - there are plenty of places to get that social stuff.

Just because someone is in the minority does not make them wrong, which is the same as just because a high school player chooses to get better with their travel team in compliance with the high school rules, it is a shame the high school coach crucifies them!!!!

Sounds to me like the real issue is that the HS conditioning is just an inconvenence to you / your DD. Don't sweat it.... if she's good enough, she'll play.

 

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It is a beef with conditioning - let's face it we are not in the 70's or 80's! There are many ways to get the best training that will benefit a softball player specifically!!!
The coach and parents are not trained to do this.
There are unmotivated players in there that make something last way too long.
What about skill development? Why wait until March when you can practice now. If there is a private instruction or travel practice, I see that as more benefit, and as a parent that is my right. My daughter would rather practice to get better, believe me it would be cheaper just to send her to high school conditioning.
The personal trainer is much more qualified, and works with many, many, athletes at all levels. Even the travel programs conditioning is much better than the high school.

So my daughter doesn't go, and now the "behind the closed door pressure"
Yes I will go to the AD, and it will get me no where
I will go to the school board, and it will be branded a troublemaker.

 

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turk - I am still confused.... why doesn't she just go?

 

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It is a beef with conditioning - let's face it we are not in the 70's or 80's! There are many ways to get the best training that will benefit a softball player specifically!!!
The coach and parents are not trained to do this.
There are unmotivated players in there that make something last way too long.
What about skill development? Why wait until March when you can practice now. If there is a private instruction or travel practice, I see that as more benefit, and as a parent that is my right. My daughter would rather practice to get better, believe me it would be cheaper just to send her to high school conditioning.
The personal trainer is much more qualified, and works with many, many, athletes at all levels. Even the travel programs conditioning is much better than the high school.

So my daughter doesn't go, and now the "behind the closed door pressure"
Yes I will go to the AD, and it will get me no where
I will go to the school board, and it will be branded a troublemaker.

The Team, The Team, The Team

 

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she doesn't go because the times conflict.
tprovconc
it's all about team isn't it, will the team pay for college?
if you are the coach, do you take players 25-30 on the food chain out
or just 1-5?