nit picking ump-arents

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Alright, I'm not one to cause alot problems, however, I must vent!

There are some pitching rules that seem to have been created by a person with severe OCD. I do understand these rules, and I believe they are intended to stop a pitcher from "quick pitching. the 2 thar come to mind are, Approaching with hands seperated, bringing the ball to the glove. I am tired of hearing "Ump-arents form their own interpretations of these rules, and then wine constantly when the fact of the matter is, these two steps have NO effect on the delivery off the ball! And the umpires have determined, after the Coaches properly, and respectfully asked them to take a look, she is not throwing illegally. The girl is throwin strikes! Encourage your girls to H it em n quiet down in the stands! Encouragement will build far better players then players who led to believe they were "cheated".

Just to clarify this rant is on overly spoken parents and not coaching staff.

BTW: if there is a video please post! With a poll too!

 

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Alright, I'm not one to cause alot problems, however, I must vent!

There are some pitching rules that seem to have been created by a person with severe OCD. I do understand these rules, and I believe they are intended to stop a pitcher from "quick pitching. the 2 thar come to mind are, Approaching with hands seperated, bringing the ball to the glove. I am tired of hearing "Ump-arents form their own interpretations of these rules, and then wine constantly when the fact of the matter is, these two steps have NO effect on the delivery off the ball! And the umpires have determined, after the Coaches properly, and respectfully asked them to take a look, she is not throwing illegally. The girl is throwin strikes! Encourage your girls to H it em n quiet down in the stands! Encouragement will build far better players then players who led to believe they were "cheated".

Just to clarify this rant is on overly spoken parents and not coaching staff.

BTW: if there is a video please post! With a poll too!

Why not just teach them the rules?

 

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Sounds like a pitcher parent to me!

 

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Sounds like a rec ball parent, or a 12u or 14u travel ball parent........

 

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Sounds like a rec ball parent, or a 12u or 14u travel ball parent........

easy on 12u..... far as I remember they didn't say what age group they were in. Is there alot of complaining coming out of the 12u division about this?

 

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There are the rules and there are the rules.
I would have a hard time seeing any girl at any level complying with the "no less than 1 second" rule (hands together) It just isn't practiced or enforced period. My DD has her hands together for about 0.2 seconds on her delivery. This would be a great time to watch the NCAA tourney. Count the seconds where the hands are together. No one does it for a second.

 

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Would have to agree - DD has been watching the games/coverage this weekend and also the games on for the last month or so and unbeknownst altered her motion to where she is not together for a full second. She is getting more drive to the plate though. Will be interested to see what her pitching instructor has to say since we have not seen her for a few weeks due to games.

 

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My DD used to get nailed all the time for stepping on the rubber with her hands together. I'm not sure how she got in the habit. She would pause once she was on the rubber then deliver her pitch but when ever she stepped foot on with out her hands being spread they would stop her. She was mostly 10U when it happened so we never got an illegal pitch out of the deal but it would frazzle her a little when blue would stop everything and walk up to her to tell her about it.

 

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For clarification,1 my DD was the pitcher, 2 that didn't matter, 3 the alleged illegal pitch was because the ball did not go into the glove when she did bring her hands together just touched the outside, 4 I was more upset at the fact the other teams players were led to believe they were being cheated. the coach from other team was encouraging his girls to hit, great guy, he was being drowned out by his fans that were complainig pf illegal pitch the whole time.

of course I could be more upset that my 3basegirl pointed out they had video rolling of the incident, I told her next to strike a pose!

 

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Had a girl yesterday in pool play pitching from the other team. Good pitcher, when she would go into motion the ball never entered the glove, just touched the outside. The ump said that was perfectly legal. I dont know the actual rule for this nor do i really care. Touch the glove, in the flove. To me there isnt much difference.

 

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There's no requirement for the ball to be put inside the glove when the hands are brought together. All that is required is that they "touch".

As far as the one second length of the touch...umpires have been instructed that ANY touch of the hands satisfies the one second minimum.

As far as parents complaining about illegal pitches...my experience is that the majority of the time, complaints from the stands are unfounded and usually demonstrate an ignorance of the pitching rules.

 

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........... and also usually made when their team is losing.

 

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Sadly, I think a lot of times the parents know they are wrong but are just trying to get in the head of the pitchers...

Younger pitchers could start changing mechanics...

 

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There's no requirement for the ball to be put inside the glove when the hands are brought together. All that is required is that they "touch".

As far as the one second length of the touch...umpires have been instructed that ANY touch of the hands satisfies the one second minimum.

As far as parents complaining about illegal pitches...my experience is that the majority of the time, complaints from the stands are unfounded and usually demonstrate an ignorance of the pitching rules.

Thank you bretman. I agree 100%.

Also, I believe NCAA has a few rules that are different in regards to the protocol in the pitching circle. Don't model what they do for your Rec or travel team play. Perhaps bretman can explain the differences.

 

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I keep hearing younger(10 and 12U) players and parents telling me that they have been called for not presenting the ball. This has not been in the rule book for quite a while. I encourage the pitchers I know to not show the ball but to take the sign with the ball in the glove, this way no one can see the grips or the changing of the grips. I have heard from at least 3 people this year that they have been told they had to "present the ball". I am guessing former softball umps that have not umped softball for a while. Anyone had this called?

 

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My dd is a twelve year old pitcher who gets irritated when other girls pitch illegally. My response to her, and pretty much everybody else who whines and cries about illegal pitchers...hit the leather off the ball. I mean, good luck waiting for it to get called, and as long as you are hitting her, where is her advantage. Plus, the faster they come in, the faster they go out.

 

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Every year I hear about some umpire somewhere saying that a pitcher must "present" the ball. I've had coaches argue this point, thinking that it is some sort of requirement of the pitching rules.

Neither is correct. The rule book makes no mention of the term "presenting the ball" and no definition of what that might entail. It was before my time as an umpire, but as a player in slow pitch I believe that there used to be some reference to presenting the ball, which meant that the pitcher had to hold the ball in front of the body and visible to the batter before pitching. That rule was changed back in the 1980's...so it hasn't been in the book for at least 25 years!

Most often this comes up in games for younger players. You have to remember that the games for the youngest, least experienced age groups will often have the least experienced umpires. This is definitely not something that an experienced, trained umpire should be calling.

 

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Alright, I'm not one to cause alot problems, however, I must vent!

There are some pitching rules that seem to have been created by a person with severe OCD. I do understand these rules, and I believe they are intended to stop a pitcher from "quick pitching. the 2 thar come to mind are, Approaching with hands seperated, bringing the ball to the glove. I am tired of hearing "Ump-arents form their own interpretations of these rules, and then wine constantly when the fact of the matter is, these two steps have NO effect on the delivery off the ball! And the umpires have determined, after the Coaches properly, and respectfully asked them to take a look, she is not throwing illegally. The girl is throwin strikes! Encourage your girls to H it em n quiet down in the stands! Encouragement will build far better players then players who led to believe they were "cheated".

Just to clarify this rant is on overly spoken parents and not coaching staff.

BTW: if there is a video please post! With a poll too!

When a girl throws gas like your dd, opposing teams will latch onto anything they can to swing things their way. Sounds like you have an Achilles heel, but plenty of time to work on it. Don't give anyone a reason to nitpick and this won't be a concern.

 

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There's no requirement for the ball to be put inside the glove when the hands are brought together. All that is required is that they "touch".

As far as the one second length of the touch...umpires have been instructed that ANY touch of the hands satisfies the one second minimum.

As far as parents complaining about illegal pitches...my experience is that the majority of the time, complaints from the stands are unfounded and usually demonstrate an ignorance of the pitching rules.

amen!!!!!!!

 

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So what about this pitch?

Illegal Pitch.mp4 - YouTube