Ohio State Buckeye Softball?

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I would love to see Ohio State have all Ohio girls, but that is not going to happen.

If you want to see the difference, go to one of the ASA/USA nationals (16U/18U) and you will see the difference. like one of the posters said before, Ohio travel teams are sprinkled with D-1 players, the Cali teams are full of them. It like everything else, with the numbers they have in Cali, the odds of producing D-1 talent is in there favor. They are playing year around, while most girls in ohio pack their softball gear away for 6 months and pick up a basketball/volleyball/etc.. Nothing wrong with that, but it is what it is....
 
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OSU has 2 sports that support all the other programs. Football and mens basketball. We all know that the coaches in those sports have expectations for winning programs, or lose your job. While coaches of non revenue sports do not have contracts nearly as lucrative, they are well paid, at least by most standards. Do any of us really believe the expectations for those programs are going to be something like "Do the best you can with only Ohio players". Just like other sports the coaches are recruiting the best players they can find. We may disagree with their choices, but frankly my job is not on the line based on the decisions of 15-18 year old kids, and where they want to go to school.
Not every former players board a plane to California as soon as their eligibility is done. Juarez took a job here in Ohio and was a High school coach until family issues took her back to California. Talking to some of these ladies there are a couple of things that become apparent. 1. Some bleed scarlet and grey like native Ohioans. 2. They really have a hard time understanding why Ohio softball has so few teams that have ASA nationals as a goal, and ASA Gold is almost a foreign language.
One last thing, just for clarification the USC Trojans don't have softball as an intercollegiate sport.
 
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More likely it's $70 football tickets and tv money paying for the education of some cali kid.

Look at the football and basketball roosters also and MOST fans could care less where the kids are from as long as they are wearing an Ohio State uniform!

Coaches get paid to win and represent the school in all aspects of a students time they are at that institution.

When you get the pick of the litter and your job depends on it why not pick the best from anywhere you can find them!

At clinics I find it laughable when we ask the kids how often they practice on their own. Attending practice does not count, as only working on your own. Most kids work maybe one or two days on their own!

Then the excuses start, I do not have time, I do not have a pop up net, I do not have a ball, I do not have a tee, I do not have a home plate.

BUT SHE DOES HAVE A $300 DOLLAR BAT! AND A CELL PHONE!

We have single moms and dads that are on a tight budget however they become creative and use socks, rags and duct tape to make balls, they hang a sheet for a net, they cut up card board to make a home plate or use old bath mats, buy a tee for less than $25 dollars.

I ask one parent who was providing excuses for his daughter not having the proper equipment, do you smoke? Yes! If you cared cut back and at least buy a tee! Do you drink? Buy a cheaper beer or cut back!

If she is that important to you, you will find away to fund it!

Now how do you get your lazy daughters to practice hitting more than once or twice a week?

If it was their dream we would not be having this conversation as she would find the motivation from within to do it!

Look at her cell phone bills and see how many minutes they are texting or how many minutes they are on the phone each month? If you have to cut back on tobacco and alcohol then they have to cut back on something also so they have time to practice.

When our kids head to college the number one thing they all said was a shock to them was time management! They had no idea softball was going to require 20 to 30 hours of their time each week.

Most of these kids do not even know how to do their own laundry or how to check their oil in the car or how to fill a tire with air.

Don't bash Ohio State for recruiting better kids, get yours off their butts and work harder and study more and they will find a school of their choice also.

If a school has 15 to 20 spots on a team and your daughter does not have the grades, is marginal in her athletic ability, then why would I choose her?

Some of you may be squeezing the arms of your chair with your finger nails however you know it is true! Wait till you start your search for a college and Suzy has a 2.5 average and the other kid has a 3.5 and runs faster and hits better than your kid and the competition for scholarship money is on and your daughter is not chosen.

Why would I want someone as a coach, who may or may be academically ineligible verses a proven work horse of 3.5 and a higher ACT or SAT?

Should we only hire teachers from Ohio and forget about educational diversity also?

Just my opinion....

Sammy how are the walking Tacos this year?:D
 
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Not buying that one Hitter... How many Ohio kids do they take a year? 2? Please you can't tell me there aren't more than that in the state that could play there and they would still finish where they are now. Not even talking my own kids, just Ohio kids in general. There are some phenomenal players out there right now in this state, that are and will be playing elsewhere Miami, Dayton, Cleveland State and others and maybe it's on their own accord, that could easily do as well as some of the current OSU roster players. It doesn't matter where you finish out of the top ten, heck nobody remembers who is after #3 on out.... Again #19 in the Country is just average in my book.......
 
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Our high school only requires a 1.5 to play sports. IMO that is ridiculous and sets a bad standard. And if I was a coach, I would definitely take the girl who has the total package (good grades, high test scores, athletic performance/work ethic)...an argument/discussion I have with my DD all the time.

As for who is on the OSU roster, I don't personally care. Life is full of "unfair" things or things we don't quite understand. Our kids might as well get used to that.
 
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It doesn't look out of the norm at all to me after looking over some rosters. Here's a quick list from a handful of top 25 teams. The first number being in-state kids, second being total listed on roster.

OSU 7 of 19
Michigan 8 of 19
Oklahoma 6 of 17
Alabama 5 of 18
Florida 9 of 17
Washington 10 of 18
Arizona 9 of 18
GA Tech 10 of 19
Missouri 13 of 24
Illinois 8 of 21
UCLA 18 of 21
Cal 16 of 17

MAC
Akron 11 of 16
Kent 21 of 25
Ball State 5 of 21
Ohio U 4 of 17
Central Michigan 18 of 20

There are some that take a good majority from the home state, but in most cases, seems like the grass is greener elsewhere is the norm once you leave the peoples republic of California. I didn't count cali kids, but pretty much every school listed has some on the roster. Not so much from Ohio when you leave Ohio.

Could OSU compete with Ohio only kids? Maybe, if they could take the top players every year and carry a big roster to cover the inevitable busts. That's not going to happen, so the coaches are going to try to get the best players they feel can help them win and not worry about where they come from. As mentioned already, FIT has a lot to do with it.

Just a side note, Ohio U is a public school as well and only has 4 players from Ohio.

PS I have no problem with how much Tressel earns or spends on the football program, it's still a profit center for the school which supports every other sport.
 
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I do not remeber anyone complaining about Evan Turner being from Illinois or Mike Conley and Greg Oden being from Indiana. Move on and quit whining. If you want a roster spot go get one there are no handouts !!!!!!!

There is no way any coach passes on a player from Ohio for a player from California if they think the Ohio player is better. Put aside your Ohio entitlement and do the things neccessary to achieve your goals.
Look at the players from Fla on the football roster and Oh yeah Terrell is from Pa !!!!
 
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Ohio U, great example. They receive MY/OUR Tax Dollars and use those dollars to pay for the education of out of state players. ONLY 4 out of 17 on the softball team are from Ohio. That needs to be changed. If a school receives STATE FUNDS they should be required to only offer scholarships to residents of the state. If they want to recruit out of state they can forgo the state funds, that simple. SCHOOLS ARE FOR EDUCATIONS and not for the select very very very few to play sports. College, High School and all levels. JMHO
 
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Over 60% percent of the colleges and universities in this country is EAST of the Mississippi River.

OVER 60% percent of the gold teams are from WEST of the Mississippi River.
 
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Not buying that one Hitter... How many Ohio kids do they take a year? 2? Please you can't tell me there aren't more than that in the state that could play there and they would still finish where they are now. Not even talking my own kids, just Ohio kids in general. There are some phenomenal players out there right now in this state, that are and will be playing elsewhere Miami, Dayton, Cleveland State and others and maybe it's on their own accord, that could easily do as well as some of the current OSU roster players. It doesn't matter where you finish out of the top ten, heck nobody remembers who is after #3 on out.... Again #19 in the Country is just average in my book.......

Hilliarddad now I think the issue is surfacing as to the coaches verses the college.

The coaches select who they want and some choose better than others and if you look at the over all track records of the the colleges you choose to mention what are they?

Only Wright State and Ohio State have been to post season play offs that I can remember off the top of my head and I am sure someone knows their records better than me as I do not keep up with them.

We have had 80 plus that have made it to the college level and all but three started as freshmen or what I would term impact players.

In every case they selected the University for education first and softball last and have had a lot of financial aid academically and scholarship money depending on the school as to D1,2,3 or NAIA.

The schools have been in the states of Michigan, Indiana, Missouri, Pennsylvania, Kentucky, Tennessee, North Carolina, South Carolina, Florida, Georgia, West Virgina, California and Ohio.

The exposure level that your daughters get also helps as to what type of ball they play as to ASA, NSA etc so that is an issue also.

When it is all looked at carefully the work ethic of the player and their grades play a huge role in the selection process.

I will pick on Coach Larabee for a second, we were at a tournament and I made the observation that in my opinion when you see a player throw poorly their hitting is not much better as they do not understand weight shift. We were walking around and you could see it loud and clear on every field we walked by.

I have probably spent six months in California over the last three years and I see them throw the ball better in general. How can the throwing technique in Ohio be that mis understood verses California?

I see the flex in the lead knee, the back leg follow through and the hips open and the glove side arm tuck in.

Coach B commented that was a great observation and that year he changed his approach to hitting and started them with throwing techniques first.

I think they went to post season playoffs that year at WSU.

I invite you to make that same observation when you are around your next group of girls and share with me your thoughts on why they have not been taught correctly.

From the net... Laxity

"Females tend to have more *** ligaments than males, which is thought to put their joints at increased risk for injury. A recent study showed that the risk of injury in females may correlate to hormonal changes associated with the menstrual cycle. In particular, female athletes may be more prone to knee ligament injuries, shoulder instability and ankle sprains."

Females are predisposed to shoulder and ACL issues because of laxity in the shoulder,knee and ankles.

So why are we still hitting basketballs, hitting off 2 x 4 's and not teaching them how to throw properly at the college clinics?

Is this a coaching issue and lack of information on our parts in the Midwest? When you watch television pay attention to how most females just throw?

You are correct Ohio State could have done as badly as they have with all Ohio girls however that was not the plan in my opinion. :D
 
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Well Howard, my DD no longer plays softball, so I'll have a lot of time this summer to check out the walking tacos at some summer tournaments. Maybe I'll even catch a game or two.

I'm thinking about setting up a stand right next to the Louisville Slugger tent and selling "Hitter in a Bottle", a magic elixir that cures improper handpath, poor balance and weight shift, leading elbow/bat drag, and poor tracking vision. As a bonus, it's good to wash down the walking tacos with!

Just think! No more long arduous hours hitting off a tee and all that other time wasting stuff! Batting .450 is now as easy as slugging down a Red Bull!
 
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I'm just convinced by looking at the roster, that if two equivalent players are considering the same shortstop position, the Ohio player will not be considered because the Buckeyes have an artery to the west coast talent mills. I went to the Stellar Classic this last month, and I can't recall seeing one Buckeye coach shopping for players. I may be wrong here, but the college coaches I saw were not with the Bucks. It is unfortunate, because my girls are not even considering the Buckeyes as an option, but they will stay with this state after they graduate. What a waste.
 
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Well Howard, my DD no longer plays softball, so I'll have a lot of time this summer to check out the walking tacos at some summer tournaments. Maybe I'll even catch a game or two.

I'm thinking about setting up a stand right next to the Louisville Slugger tent and selling "Hitter in a Bottle", a magic elixir that cures improper handpath, poor balance and weight shift, leading elbow/bat drag, and poor tracking vision. As a bonus, it's good to wash down the walking tacos with!

Just think! No more long arduous hours hitting off a tee and all that other time wasting stuff! Batting .450 is now as easy as slugging down a Red Bull!

We just need to relabel it as it is called Jack Daniels plus we need to add in a dose of reality for some of the parents.

Your daughter played D1 ball and you of all people knows what it takes.

I am not sticking up for the Ohio State coaches however it is their job on the line when they are not winning and not an emotional parents opinion!

We have been duped by the physiologist that no kid should ever loose at anything to protect their self esteem and they are all winners in the game of life.

The Veterans cemetery's are full of people of people that believed other wise and paid the ultimate price of winners and losers and that is called the game of life!

In a just system the strong survive and the best athlete plays...except in high school ball! :D
 
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Well as usual this topic provides a great deal of entertainment. I had a chance to talk to Coach Kalafaitas a little over a week ago, while she was scouting players at of all things a Ohio High School game. (by the way the Miami U. coach was there also). Whether she was personally at the Stellar Classic, I do not know, but did indicate that at least part of her coaching staff was there for some of the games. OSU had a game on Saturday evening, so they would not have been there for all of it. If you are playing at the tournaments OSU recruits they have consistently watched Ohio players. In many cases though Ohio players have not caught onto the fact that the recruiting age has moved down. Last summer OSU did not even go to Gold Nationals to recruit as many of the players were signed, and/or their recruiting dollars were all used for the ages most represented there. They did however actively recruit 16U ASA. IF (and that is often a very big IF) an Ohio player and California player were equal, who would be the easiest to recruit, and the cheapest to get. Lets see out of state vs. in state tuition?
I am with Hitter on this one. There are kids that work hard enough, but that does not mean they have the total package to play in the Big Ten.
If OSU were overlooking the talent that could consistently place them in the top 10 nationally, then it would seem that out of state programs would be converging on Ohio to snatch those players up. Nothing against Ohio softball players, I had 4 of my own.
 
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Dogsdad said. "If OSU were overlooking the talent that could consistently place them in the top 10 nationally, then it would seem that out of state programs would be converging on Ohio to snatch those players up. Nothing against Ohio softball players, I had 4 of my own."

Amen! :lmao:
 
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Thanks everyone for the posts and the inbox reponses. It was very good and therapeutic for me. I guess I'm just an old timer, but I was taught that you go to war with what you got, and don't expect any outside help. Maybe we'll see some changes that makes Ohio softball more competitive, but personally, I would rather see us lose and learn then not play at all at the D1 level.

Cordially everyone!
Sherman1
 
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How many Ohio kids do they take a year? 2? Please you can't tell me there aren't more than that in the state that could play there and they would still finish where they are now. Not even talking my own kids, just Ohio kids in general. There are some phenomenal players out there right now in this state, that are and will be playing elsewhere Miami, Dayton, Cleveland State and others and maybe it's on their own accord, that could easily do as well as some of the current OSU roster players.

I totally agree with you. Been around the fastpitch world(somewhat). They could find enough outstanding players here in Ohio. That could challenge in the NCAA. The easy thing to do is to head west. To find players. They do have alot out there. If they would not turn a blind eye. They could find it here.
All they need is to have travel coaches submit some players of interest to them. The college coaches of Ohio could hold a tournament. It would be a huge event.
This post just headed right down the road like, the why are california players better than ohio post. It kind of got heated. A little on my part. This is the good old USA. You have the right to say what is on your mind.
 
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KR, you are assuming EVERY kid is just dying to be a Buckeye. While it seems hard to fathom (at least in the eyes of dyed-in-the-wool Buckeye fans), we all know of several very talented kids who were assumed recruited by OSU, but chose another school (usually MAC) for other reasons. It's very foolish for a kid to pick a school for the softball program alone. While football, men's basketball and (somewhat) baseball recruits can use college athletics as a springboard to the pros, that's not always wise for softball. While OSU is undoubtedly a leader in most academic areas, there are some areas where other "lesser" schools might excel in the eyes of the recruit. When it really gets down to making a final decision in the recruiting process, only the recruit knows what's best for her, and softball is not always the final deciding factor.

Getting recruited by any Big Ten school is an awesome achievement. There's no question that the current and past crop of Ohio kids who were on the roster are and were outstanding athletes. They were in the right place at the right time, and obviously everything clicked.

An analogy would be like getting all the very top softball players in Ohio to play for the Lasers. I'd think you'd have a reasonable shot at pretty high ranking at ASA nationals with that roster. BUT - back to reality. All the top players DO NOT play for the Lasers. Granted, many do - but not ALL. As for OSU, coach Kalifatis and crew must fill in the blanks with the best talent they can find. Obviously, all the top Ohio kids don't necessarily hit the roster, hence the "pipeline" west. Cali top tier is PAC-10. Under that there are such overwhelming numbers that statistically the Cali "leftovers" are often MUCH better than all but a handful of Ohio's best. And there's A TON of them. That's what you see on the Big 10 rosters.
 
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It looks like this post is finally settling down. Coach Kalafatis and Coach Beach were both at the Stellar. They stayed at the Central Crossing and Poland Seminary Game and then stayed for the next game against DeSales HS. It was good to see them looking at the talent that the Stellar brought in. Our kids need to work harder, start earlier on the recruiting process and work sport specific conditioning in order to pull ahead of the average players. I personally think the Ohio kids playing for OSU, for the most part, are the above average players that OSU recruited early and "finished off" to play at the Big 10 level. Their parents also seem exceptional. Some parents who kids have already graduated, routinely return to watch the Buckeyes.

There are only a few spots on each roster that open up each year. Kids should work hard enough and do their research early enough to know what the odds are. There is good talent in Ohio....more than there are spots on all of the college teams. It is very competitive, but each skilled kid who is academically equipped to play has a shot at many of the schools at all different levels. A final thought, many kids turn away from schools because the school isn't offering them enough money and another school is offering something additional. Money has a funny way of making the decision easier.
 
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...A final thought, many kids turn away from schools because the school isn't offering them enough money and another school is offering something additional. Money has a funny way of making the decision easier.

This is so telling.

Every kid has to look at the "big picture" of life after softball. Consider two scenarios where both schools have essentially equal academic majors:

1) You have an offer from OSU for walk-on status which might develop into a scholarship later. There are no guarantees, but you are on the roster with no academic or athletic award. You are a Buckeye - but you must pay your own way.

2) You have an offer from another state university which will allow you to graduate college with little to no debt.

There is no RIGHT or WRONG answer, and you could plug in any school in the above scenarios. It's all about what is important to each individual.
 

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