OHSAA does it again...

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Well..here we are the week before our weekend with Howard Kobata which should be an exciting time. Lot's of girls rev'd up to meet him.
I scheduled this clinic over 6 months ago. Called ohsaa at that time and they said oh ... no issues...it's a clinic.
Now it is suddenly a problem.
Let me clarify, more that one high school represented (but no more than 4 girls from same high school) and several travel teams represented. No scrimmages going on...just fielding instruction.
But now I'm being told, if the local high school sponsored this clinic it would be fine. But, since we as a travel team sponsored him to come in...it's a problem.
Tell me what high school could afford...or even would afford to do this for the girls?
Anybody got any ideas on how to handle this one?

 

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If I posted my answer, it would be censored and deleted...

 

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It's a shame that every ruling OHSAA makes seems to go against the development of the athlete. How many sessions did you have scheduled with Howard? If you had 2 or 3 sessions set up maybe you can send 4 per high school to different sessions. I'm not sure if this will get you around the OHSAA ruling since it may still be considered one clinic but just a thought. Obviously this will be an increased cost if there was only one session set up with Howard and now you have to change to multiple sessions.

Best of luck resolving this for your girls. If for some reason you can't come to a resolution and need additional players to fill your sessions with Howard Kobata definitely let us know.

 

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So who is now telling you that you can't hold this clinic?? Where is it being held?? Do you have any affiliation with a HS program?? How many HS girls would be involved?? The fact that it is travel ball and not a HS team really has no bearing if it is a clinic.

It seems you are receiving some wrong info because athletes are allowed to receive instruction at anytime of the year. The relevance is on who is giving the instruction and at what time of the year it is being given. One other thing, until a HS or middle school team has there 1st scrimmage or game they are allowed to continue practicing with their travel team and could even play games. I would think you would be OK, and unless it came from Roxanne Prices at OHSAA, I wouldn't hold much truth in it.

You can send me a PM if you rather not answer some of these questions in public.

Shayne

 

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The way this is going, I may not have my dd play high school ball.

Can you put the clinic in a neutral locaton?

 

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Get the better players to commit to playing select over high school ball and start the 16U and 18U seasson earlier.
If they are not playing high school ball at all, then there is no issue.

 

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I just skimmed through the OHSAA Bylaws. I could not find anywhere that it would be a rules violation attending a clinic put on by a non-interscholastic entity. The only thing I could find is to your advantage. It is rule 1-4-2 and basically states that clinical and instructional demonstations that teach fundamental skills, techniques, strategy, etc. shall not be counted as a scheduled contest.

Len

 

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hey clyde thats the best answer:yahoo:

 

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Get the better players to commit to playing select over high school ball and start the 16U and 18U seasson earlier.
If they are not playing high school ball at all, then there is no issue.

Count us in ;&

 

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I also found this on page 2 of the "2009-10 Student-Athlete Eligibility Guide" published by OHSAA:

OHSAA Regulations On
Instructions/Camps

"You may receive individual skill instruction from a non-school coach at any time during the year in individual or group lessons."

Len

 

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The problems with the 'rules' is that for every rule you can quote that backs you up, there is a nother one that contradicts it...somewhere...and those at OHSAA never give the same answer to the same questions...

 

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get the better players to commit to playing select over high school ball and start the 16u and 18u seasson earlier.
If they are not playing high school ball at all, then there is no issue.

amen !!:d:d:d

 

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I told you guys that you needed to get travel ball out of your heads during the HS season.

 

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We were told that our weekly "Hitting Instruction" was a no-no after the H.S. started it's first practice.

 

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The problems with the 'rules' is that for every rule you can quote that backs you up, there is a nother one that contradicts it...somewhere...and those at OHSAA never give the same answer to the same questions...

This is it to many grey areas. There are general rules and there are rules that deal with softball.
Most schools have had scrimmages by now so look in that section.
I think alot of it has to do with how you word it if it's open I think your alright but if your doing it as a team and team only then no.
As Knight said the best thing to do is call Roxanne Prices and ask.

 

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Did OHSAA relocate it's office to Washington DC? Sounds like another Bill pushed in under the table.

 

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Ms. Harris:

“Team Play” does not just involve scrimmages and games. In basketball if it is two on two, that is more than one on one and though the game is played with five this would not be permissible during basketball season. If this clinic involves more than “individual” instruction, then I would say it is not permitted. For instance, if 9 girls line up as on “defense” and someone hits to them for fielding purposes, this is “team play” or two ****** players doing a drill against two other ****** players.



The four person limitation is for outside of the season (with the exception of June 1-July 31), and we are into the school season, as most schools have already played several scrimmages. Our definition of “instructional programs” is camps, clinics, workshops, practices, etc.



We are concluding our winter state tournaments this weekend (starting Thursday) with boys basketball. I hope I have answered your questions.

Roxanne



Roxanne Price, Assistant Commissioner

 

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Above is the response I got back last. Since we will not be on a field in fielding position and this is Individual instruction for more than just our travel team or high school team, am I right to assume that this is ok now?

 

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Above is the response I got back last. Since we will not be on a field in fielding position and this is Individual instruction for more than just our travel team or high school team, am I right to assume that this is ok now?

Softball go to ohsaa web site under sports click on softball on the left side click on softball regulations. I think it's section 4.
Again I think it's all how you word it. If you say it's for my travel team and it's mandatory that is a no no, but if you have individual instruction not in a team context it's ok.
But thats just how I read it.

 

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Softball go to ohsaa web site under sports click on softball on the left side click on softball regulations. I think it's section 4.
Again I think it's all how you word it. If you say it's for my travel team and it's mandatory that is a no no, but if you have individual instruction not in a team context it's ok.
But thats just how I read it.

Softball regulations pertaining to camps, clinics, and workshops refer you to section 5 of the "OHSAA General Sports Regulations". Section 5.3 reads:

5.3) Individual skill instruction may be received in any sport by a squad member at any time in individual or group lessons. The coach may not conduct individual or group lessons for a squad member except during June 1-July 31 and during the season of the sport.​

So....this plus what Ms. Price states as "no-no's" should put you in good position to have an acceptable clinic not in violation of the OHSAA.

Len