Only female coaches for girls???

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It's all good ptchslapr ?;)----just more of what I was asking for----discussion of opinion and personal experiences, not just some flippant "of course" or yukking it up over some woman's silly question. ?::)

And make no mistake, I LOVE the humor, and I especially like to see it used in the service of making an interesting/intelligent point. :cool:
 
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I agree with Joe,

I'd like to see more female umpires ! - Are they better ???
 
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I had an opinion but after running it by my dd and dw at dinner and having been told I did'nt have a clue and that I was full of crap. I'll keep it to myself! ;D
 
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OK, my job requires me to think outside of the box. So here goes.

The explanation requires two statements to lead it.

1. Baseball is much more similar to FP softball that Slow Pitch softball.
2. Slow Pitch softball is very different than FP Softball.

Let's take the look at two individuals and their background; a 30 year old male and a female of the same age.

23 years ago, the male started playing little league baseball and continue to play baseball through HS and possibly some college.

23 years ago, the female, if she played ball at all, would most likely have played slow pitch rec ball.

The experience factor would favor the male, ie. hitting, stealing - though somewhat different, fielding, strategies, coaching exposure, avid follower of the sport...etc. 99.99% of the women did not have this benefit.

15 years ago, there were still many schools that only offered Slow Pitch softball as a girl's sport. It was about this time that FP softball started it's run to overtake Slow Pitch in popularity. Back then, the majority of the FP pitching involved... "Who wants to try to pitch today?" It is nowhere near the level that you see today.

15 years ago, many of the males have already been in organized baseball for at least 8 years. They had the jump on the knowledge of the sports, etc. The conversion to FP was an adjustment of what they already knew, with the exception of pitching.

So the answer is, from that era, males have been better prepared to be a coach.

HOWEVER,

Present day FP programs, with teams starting at 8U or 10U will erase much of that deficit in the future and may tip the scales in favor of the females, eventually. BUT, It still goes back to what JoeA said, many women assume the role of a mother and leave the sport to care for the family, where - unfair as it is, males are more free to pursue coaching.
 
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Let 'er rip chico---if it's really your opinion, we wanna hear it (warts n' all). ;D

That's what this little exercise is all about, seein' what people really believe. ?This isn't a pop quiz, there's no right or wrong. ?Just gettin' a feel for what folks really think. ;)


Johnnies----FANTASTIC POST.
 
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WOW I think johnnies hit the nail right on the head. Great post
 
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I think the reason we see so many more male coaches is fairly simple. More men have leadership experience or training military,sports, careers. As such many men find it natural and easy to assume leadership roles on sports teams.I also think that many women will sit back and let a man do the coaching for some reason wether its the countries social mores or family structure I dont really know. I do know that there are some very good female coaches and leaders out there and that behind every good man is a great woman. I've also seen about ten very good female umpires who will hustle down the line to get a better look at a play(seems like some of the guys think standing on tip-toe will get the job done) and one verrrrryyyy bad one.
 
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I would agree with Johnnies whole heartedly with the basic fundimentals of the game and now traveling with a select club I have seen even more of the remarkable coaching skills out there. My daughters coach "Jim" is probably one of the best coaches I have ever encountered " I myself a 12 month a year coach in several sports" but only recently in Girls fast pitch, stand quietly behind him soaking it all in. The one difference between Jim and my daughters pitching coach "Heather" is that she understands the physical difference of a girl's body and how to exploit it to get the desired results. I don't feel comfortable having a male try to teach her how to pitch not knowing what changes that my dd is going through at this time in her life "puberty" and also when her pitching coach has brought her so far in the past year.

I feel that if you have a young women as a coach who has played fastpitch at a college level that is a big plus but not the golden answer. If she is/was a successful pitcher there is your pitching coach, but don't have a SS teach her to pitch. All in all it is how this woman has been trained and what they retain.

Over the past 3 years I have seen some of the greatest wrongs done to a player by a parent or a coach with the best of intentions attempting to teach their girl how to hit "SLOWPITCH" style big step and all arms, as well as the homerun run or nothing philosophy. Which after several years of programming it becomes verturally impossible to retrain the correct techniques, and often leads to insubordinate players and premadonas.


If you need an opinion do as I have done sit quietly in the mist of the best of both worlds.

Please excuse any misspelled words, I am only a man.
 
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chico---I think there is definite validity to your assertions about men having more experience in leadership roles, and women traditionally taking a more passive role.

And you're right, there are people very good at their jobs, and ones who are verrrrryyyy bad (male or female). ;)


btw falcon pride---nice post, and no, we don't take off points for spelling (or I'd be failin' right now). ;D ?But, if it bothers you, most computer screens have a spell-check button located on one of the toolbars, so you can check yourself before you actually post your message~you can use it or not, most of us don't care. ;)
 
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geez, where is that 10ft pole of mine... ;)

anyhow, I can only speak of experience...the post should really be, what are our reactions to a woman coach as opposed to a male coach...i react differently to my dd's volleyball coach and school ball coach (women) as opposed to her travel and then soccer coaches (males)
why? haha, my college bud jessica would say it's a well-coached and bred male chauvanism (sp?) at work..that i assume a man would know what he is doing, the x's and o's so to speak, and that a woman puts feelings in the equation so how can they reliably coach...but what does she know? ::)
as for me, my personal experiences have been biased somewhat, especially with some mediocre women coaches, but, there have been such a short number of women coaches there's not much wiggle room...3/5 women coaches doesn't speak for ALL women coaches, i know that..maybe i just got a unlucky pick...i've seen many, many bad male coaches, but how many have i known, hundreds?

i do agree with time being a factor, and women older than title 9 perhaps were not brought up with sports-on-the-brain, and as my bud jessica would say, they weren't raised socially to be that coach/authority figure/man of men....in 10, 20 years, some other statman will be saying something different...let them coach i say, and i'll keep my man-pig thoughts to myself

how's that katatonic?
 
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chicoflip said:
... behind every good man is a great woman. ....

EXACTLY!!!! ?Here is a typical weekday where our DD has practice.
I get off work, drive for 45 minutes to pick up our youngest from the babysitter and head home. ?I get a quick snack for the older kids, drive 1/2 hour each way to get our DD to practice, pick up our son from his practice (grandparents took him), then go home and make dinner for the family.

The schedule for my Husband/Coach... drive from work to practice, drive home, sit down to eat.

I think the men coach to get out of work around the house! ? ;)
 
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Excellent effort Statman!!!---I knew you had it in you (I know, baby steps). LOL ;) ;D

Seriously, I appreciate everyone relating their opinions and experiences (as I told someone recently, I come to this website for the wisdom and wit of my fellow posters). :)
 
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veni_vidi_vici said:
[quote author=chicoflip link=1192561987/25#26 date=1192586749]...

I think the men coach to get out of work around the house! ? ;)

Your point being.... LOL
My wife cuts the grass 10-1 over me. (a 3 hr job)?I usually cut the grass from a sense of guilt....even when it doesn't need it..

What? I cut the grass Thursday! ?Why didn't you tell me ?youn cut it Wednesday.....

I can't win
 
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Thanks Kat nice thread with a lot of great posts. Besides everytime I came to check this something good happened for the tribe! :)
 
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If you read the comments below in Rewards and Punishment. I think it gives you a good insight into this argument. Howard Carrier made some very good posts on this subject. I think you can have good men or women coaches if they know how to deal with people. I'm sure I'm going to offend someone, but I have found to be very true. If we had a men's coach my dd was playing for, one question I always found out was how long has he been married ?
 
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I would say go with girl coaches. I feel more comfrontable with girl coaches. But probably the best guy coach I ever had was Coach Clark. I would love to have him again.... :)
 
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When I was in hs, we had male coaches for everything except field hockey. In fairness, I can't really see men coaching field hockey in hs. We were very hard on the young women who tried to coach us and had a new coach every year. Could have been their youth or lack of disciplinary skills or both. We never challenged the male coaches (who were usually older) because I guess we were afraid of being disciplined. Whether male or female, I think the coach has to take charge and command respect for his or her authority from the beginning. And it needs to be earned by being fair as well as knowledgeable.
 
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In regard to girls sports, I think it's good to have a mix. If you have a male head coach, a female asst or vice versa. We all know that girls relate differently than boys, and while either gender, as long as they have the knowledge, should be able to coach, girls sometimes need a woman around to relate to. Things they don't want to confide in a male coach, etc. I think male coaches are beneficial to girls these days especially, since many of them don't have any constant male role models in their life.

As far as women coaching boys sports, I think boys relate better to men in positions of authority. Especially as they get older. Depends on the sport, but there aren't loads of women out there who play football and that could get respect as a coach. Face it, it took Goldie most of the movie to get respect, and that's not the real world folks! That's just the way it is, and it isn't likely to change any time soon. I'm not sure it should.

Johnnies, Not so sure about your slowpitch vs. baseball reasoning, though. I never played slowpitch, and I started playing rec league softball 30 years ago. I never even knew that girls played slowpitch anywhere until I started reading about it on here! Had women coaches most of the time too, and that was in the late 70's early 80's! Where I come from, slowpitch was for old men on the Church League! ;Dlol
 

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