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Ok oh wise ones, I have a question about OSHAA rules regarding an SB HS player being on a Club VB team at the same time. Is this allowed?
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yep, as long as they don't try to hit a softball over the net.
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Good answer. lolol
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Sure, as long as it is not the same Varsity sport being played out of school ... IE travel softball.
There are Football players in Marching band in the fall as well at some schools. Those are kids with some talented schedule balancing skills if they can do it....
There are Football players in Marching band in the fall as well at some schools. Those are kids with some talented schedule balancing skills if they can do it....
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While it might not violate OHSAA, some High School Coaches have their own "policy" that prohibits a player from playing any other "club" (non-scholastic) sport during the season in which they are playing a sport for the school.
The Coaches I know who do this do so because they are concerned about that player injuring themselves while playing the other non-scholastic sport. I'm not passing judgment on whether this is fair or not....
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Friend of mine's DD was told yesterday by the AD that she had to choose between Club VB and HS V Sball. He said there isn't any rule (school or OHSAA), but its an unwritten policy that she can't do it. It seems he may be overlooking the 2 track members that are also playing Club VB.........?
I understand the dilemma of not wanting a player to get hurt, but if he pushes this issue she will quit Sball.
I understand the dilemma of not wanting a player to get hurt, but if he pushes this issue she will quit Sball.
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Does the coach have an issue with it or just the AD? My dd was in the same situation, JO VB and V HS softball.
We knew it would be a challenge and at first everything lined up well, no conflicts it was a miracle. Then the spring rains came and the reschedules and it all went to heck real quick. That was my dd last year playing JO VB, after playing both sports for 7 years. The school had no issue as long as SB was the priority and that is what we adheared to. DD felt horrible that she let her VB team down by not being there when they needed her.
On the bright side, she is contimplating playing VB in college now and not SB. LoL
We knew it would be a challenge and at first everything lined up well, no conflicts it was a miracle. Then the spring rains came and the reschedules and it all went to heck real quick. That was my dd last year playing JO VB, after playing both sports for 7 years. The school had no issue as long as SB was the priority and that is what we adheared to. DD felt horrible that she let her VB team down by not being there when they needed her.
On the bright side, she is contimplating playing VB in college now and not SB. LoL
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Sounds like a private issue between AD and coach. Alot of that in HS
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I have a player/pitcher that is playing JO VB...which is fine...but she has practice on wednesdays for VB and feels she needs to leave SB, and further still, games early to attend VB practice. Hasn't been a conflict yet, but could be tomorrow.
She asked me at practice yesterday if she could start pitching on wednesday, then leave early so she wouldn't miss VB!!!
She asked me at practice yesterday if she could start pitching on wednesday, then leave early so she wouldn't miss VB!!!
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We had the same issue some years back with someone who played club ****** during softball season. Wanted to play softball and was an outstanding player with a great attitude, but ****** clearly came first (she did go on to play D1 ****** in college). One issue is that its not really fair to the rest of the team when she is missing practices or games, and head coach and her agreed she needed to quit softball. Tough decision ... was never sure what was right thing to do ...
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I'm torn on this as well. I understand and am willing to make concessions for early leaving of practice...but leaving games for VB practice is going a bit to far and I'm just not quite sure how to deal with it. If we had alot of pitching it would be a little easier, but that isn't the case.
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I may be the minority on this but frankly, it's none of the school's business if a player is playing a different travel sport while playing a high school sport unless it's interfering with the high school sport like missing practices, games, etc.
I think the injury argument is bunk. A kid can get injured in many other ways other than playing another sport. There are too many variables out there to settle just making a rule about another sport. A kid can get hurt at home or work or just horsing around with friends.
This is just more of the over-regulating that happens in our society.
And the reverse is true as well, it's none of a travel ball organization's business if a player is also playing a high school sport again unless it interferes. As long as the kid shows up, does her job, applies herself; it's nobody's business but the kid and the parents.
Now if a kid is not performing, missing practices, etc., then I do believe the coach has then the right to investigate why and then decide a course of action then. It really should be addressed on a case by case basis. I imagine not every kid can do both at the same time. I also imagine some can do it with no issues.
And then people wonder what ever happened to multi-sport athlete? They're getting regulated out of existence. When it all comes down to it, they are kids playing a game (and voluntarily I might add), let them have some fun and challenge themselves.
Just saying...
I think the injury argument is bunk. A kid can get injured in many other ways other than playing another sport. There are too many variables out there to settle just making a rule about another sport. A kid can get hurt at home or work or just horsing around with friends.
This is just more of the over-regulating that happens in our society.
And the reverse is true as well, it's none of a travel ball organization's business if a player is also playing a high school sport again unless it interferes. As long as the kid shows up, does her job, applies herself; it's nobody's business but the kid and the parents.
Now if a kid is not performing, missing practices, etc., then I do believe the coach has then the right to investigate why and then decide a course of action then. It really should be addressed on a case by case basis. I imagine not every kid can do both at the same time. I also imagine some can do it with no issues.
And then people wonder what ever happened to multi-sport athlete? They're getting regulated out of existence. When it all comes down to it, they are kids playing a game (and voluntarily I might add), let them have some fun and challenge themselves.
Just saying...
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As long as it does not interfere with school priority first including the full length of practice as required, nobody should have a say...... Went through this if you remember with the Powder Puff game and SOkker this past Fall... He was PO'd then, but at SR. Night gave her a hug and told her she made the right choice....
As long as you make the commitment to the school team first, it's nobody's business...
Now back to the question at hand.... What school sport takes precedence? tough one and usually the coaches work it out between themselves at the school to make it work, as usually those kids are specially talented and make it work.
As long as you make the commitment to the school team first, it's nobody's business...
Now back to the question at hand.... What school sport takes precedence? tough one and usually the coaches work it out between themselves at the school to make it work, as usually those kids are specially talented and make it work.
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We have went thru that balancing act for years. Our AD stresses allow kids to play multi sports. Only issue we have is during the summer with travel softball and the other sport wanting her to play club sokker or the threat you want play. The games have been on Mondays, but he is one of those coaches that want his players to play his sport 12 months a year.
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I have a player/pitcher that is playing JO VB...which is fine...but she has practice on wednesdays for VB and feels she needs to leave SB, and further still, games early to attend VB practice. Hasn't been a conflict yet, but could be tomorrow.
She asked me at practice yesterday if she could start pitching on wednesday, then leave early so she wouldn't miss VB!!!
This is the worst combination imaginable, a pitcher/VB player. Constant training of opposing muscle group will play heck with the shoulder. My dd is a pitcher too and was a VB middle hitter. She would come out of VB throwing at least 5 mph slower due to all the opposing muscle work. She realized it at tryouts her sophomore year an never played VB again. Not to mention the occasional jammed finger on her pitching hand.
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Interesting topic for sure and a tough dilemma for some coaches. I am all for kids playing multi-sports if they can do it, but not at the expense of missing school practices/games for travel/club. And the issue is it can be difficult for multi-sports athletes to keep up with those who play all year. Sbfamily ... I am not sure if you were referring to a school coach wanting the girl to play all year or not but, if it is, that is why the OHSAA rules are out there to preclude coaches from coaching in the offseason. I am pretty sure if a coach admitted (another thing to prove I suppose) to cutting or not playing kids because they didn't play his/her sport all year, that they would be in some hot water with OHSAA, because in effect that is coaching in the off-season and I personally think that is a good thing to regulate against.
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I'm sure there are club/select/travel coaches that have their own policy that prohibits a player from playing any other "school" sport during the season in which they are playing a sport for the club.
In today's "Play To Participate" environment, many HS coaches have or will have to throttle back on the policy of prohibiting players from playing a non-sholastic sport during their sport season.
Len
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I agree Lenski- with Pay to Play, I personally know of 2 girls that chose to play club/select VB and AAU instead of softball because of the school's policy, and because their primary sport is volleyball or basketball.
Bulldog- I don't necessarily buy the "excuse" that the school athlete is at risk of injury if they play a club sport during the High School season....it's just what i've been told by a Coach as to HIS reasoning. I agree with you that it is BS that the school's policy isn't applied with an even hand.
Bulldog- I don't necessarily buy the "excuse" that the school athlete is at risk of injury if they play a club sport during the High School season....it's just what i've been told by a Coach as to HIS reasoning. I agree with you that it is BS that the school's policy isn't applied with an even hand.
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The3dm- I've heard that as well....pitchers shouldn't play volleyball. Not to highjack this thread, but I wonder if there are any other pitchers out there who have encountered this problem or, is it just an old wives tale.
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I think ultimately it is up to the player which sport she makes the priority and if the school coach does not like it then the choice is his - keep her or cut her. If she is a good player and at a position of need, then the coach needs to deal with it. If she is just playing to have fun with friends and is expendable, then it is on the coach not the player. I am getting very tired of these coaches - school and club - that believe their players need to specialize in only one sport. It leads to burnout. It leads to only sport specific skills being developed. Give me an athlete any day. Give me a kid that plays for a good club team that knows how to win - if I am coaching her second sport, at least the "impressionable" girls that she is around will be better because of it. She will undoubtedly be a worker and a leader and I want that kind of kid on my team, even if it is less than full time.
