Out for not touching home.

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This missing of home plate incident would NEVER have HAPPENED if the players on the bench had been instructed properly by their coaches as to the ediquette that should be employed by teammates following a career-first homer.

The proper response from teammates is the SILENT TREATMENT. Teammates should not react to the batter at all until after she touches home and returns to the dugout confused and wondering why no one seemed to have noticed that she just hit one out of the park. Then, all at once, they surround her and celebrate!

:lmao: I've actually seen this, and it's pretty good when it works....

 

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Sorry, don't understand that logic.

Should we also not appeal a runner leaving early on a sac fly? Don't appeal a check swing? There's a league that does that - its called Rec Ball.

You don't get to pick and choose which rules are too hard to swallow for a 10 year old tournament softball player.

And, I bet she hits every base the next time and I bet she remembers it for the rest of her life and tells her kids (and players she coaches) about it.

JMHO and if it were my dd I wouldn't want someone looking the other way.

I understand that, I just feel as a Coach I would not take that away from a girl at 10 u, it was over the fence she hit it far enough so the outfeilders could not catch it. She deserved the home run. I know rules are rules, maybe I am to soft as a person..jmo

 

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When my dd was playing 12u at Stingrays, she hit a homerun on a field with no fence. She missed EVERY BASE but home plate. It was obvious to our team and the umpires commented on it after the next pitch was thrown to make sure that she realized what she had done. We were winning the game at the time by a very large margin. I don't know if the opposing team didn't notice or just chose not to appeal, but my guess is that they chose not to appeal. BTW dd has never missed a base since!

 

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If the player is legging out an in the park HR and misses a base, by all means make the appeal. If it is an over the fence shot I feel it shows very little class to appeal something like that, especially at the 10u level. Give the batter the credit she deserves, she bested your pitcher in that at bat. Don't be a Grinch! JMHO

I understand that, I just feel as a Coach I would not take that away from a girl at 10 u, it was over the fence she hit it far enough so the outfeilders could not catch it. She deserved the home run. I know rules are rules, maybe I am to soft as a person..jmo

A.S.A. does have rules for this. A ball hit over the fence for a home run the batter needs to only touch first base then may return to the dugout......YES this is a slow pitch rule.... Why has this rule not been added to the J.O. rules because most adults think kids enjoy the trot around the bases for their glory and they do..

But for any team to appeal a missed base on a ball hit over the fence in which they had no way to stop I think is a case of bad sportsmanship.

This is one of those cases, did she have an advantage over the other team by skipping a base, no it did not make her reach a base faster to help beat the throw...

How many pitchers, crow hop, leap, or pitch side arm and you hear the umpire or the pitchers coach say its only a small one or there is no real advantage over the batter.

To appeal a missed base on a over the fence home run, is in my oppinion in bad taste and poor sportsmenship, I will never do that. And no it is not the same thing as some of the other examples brought up here...

 

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Actually, in ASA slow pitch you don't even have to touch first base on a homer. The batter and any runners on base can head straight for the dugout.

Their reasoning for this rule is that it speeds up the game.

 

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A.S.A. does have rules for this. A ball hit over the fence for a home run the batter needs to only touch first base then may return to the dugout......YES this is a slow pitch rule.... Why has this rule not been added to the J.O. rules because most adults think kids enjoy the trot around the bases for their glory and they do..

But for any team to appeal a missed base on a ball hit over the fence in which they had no way to stop I think is a case of bad sportsmanship.

This is one of those cases, did she have an advantage over the other team by skipping a base, no it did not make her reach a base faster to help beat the throw...

How many pitchers, crow hop, leap, or pitch side arm and you hear the umpire or the pitchers coach say its only a small one or there is no real advantage over the batter.

To appeal a missed base on a over the fence home run, is in my oppinion in bad taste and poor sportsmenship, I will never do that. And no it is not the same thing as some of the other examples brought up here...

Well said

 

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A.S.A. does have rules for this. A ball hit over the fence for a home run the batter needs to only touch first base then may return to the dugout......YES this is a slow pitch rule.... Why has this rule not been added to the J.O. rules because most adults think kids enjoy the trot around the bases for their glory and they do..

But for any team to appeal a missed base on a ball hit over the fence in which they had no way to stop I think is a case of bad sportsmanship.

This is one of those cases, did she have an advantage over the other team by skipping a base, no it did not make her reach a base faster to help beat the throw...

How many pitchers, crow hop, leap, or pitch side arm and you hear the umpire or the pitchers coach say its only a small one or there is no real advantage over the batter.

To appeal a missed base on a over the fence home run, is in my oppinion in bad taste and poor sportsmenship, I will never do that. And no it is not the same thing as some of the other examples brought up here...

Yes well said.......

 

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Alright I just need to play this out a little more for my heartless benefit.

For those who say you look the other way, are you saying you will never appeal regardless of the age and situation or just because you are kind-hearted people who feel bad for the 10U player on her first homerun?

What if this was her 10th homerun of the season as a 10U player and you knew it?

What if it was her second homerun of the game and she missed bases both times?

What if she was 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, etc...? When should she know better?

What if it were the championship of the tournament, and the run won the game?

What if it were the championship of ASA Nationals, and the run won the game?

If your answer is "I wouldn't do it, no matter what", then IMHO you are a fan and not a coach. If you answer yes to some and not to others, I simply think it is a slippery slope. It just seems easier to teach the runner to touch all the bases and take emotion and opinion out of play.

 

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If there was so much celebration around her at home plate how could he even positively make that call in the 1st place?

 

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Mike none of those were the case though.
As the old saying goes what if my Aunt had ***** She'd be my Uncle
By the way I'm a coach a fan and have a heart. JMHO

 

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Alright I just need to play this out a little more for my heartless benefit.

For those who say you look the other way, are you saying you will never appeal regardless of the age and situation or just because you are kind-hearted people who feel bad for the 10U player on her first homerun?

What if this was her 10th homerun of the season as a 10U player and you knew it?

What if it was her second homerun of the game and she missed bases both times?

What if she was 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, etc...? When should she know better?

What if it were the championship of the tournament, and the run won the game?

What if it were the championship of ASA Nationals, and the run won the game?

If your answer is "I wouldn't do it, no matter what", then IMHO you are a fan and not a coach. If you answer yes to some and not to others, I simply think it is a slippery slope. It just seems easier to teach the runner to touch all the bases and take emotion and opinion out of play.

Would you really want to win these championships when a hitter bested your pitcher and hit one over the fence, over the fence being key but maybe missed touching a base in the ceremonial run around?

Let me add, this is kids. If it were the Chicago Cubs winning the World Series, sorry I appeal! Can't believe I said "Chicago Cubs winning World Series".

 

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BigJag - my comments weren't directed to you.

I was simply voicing an opinion that we as tournament softball coaches don't get to decide which rules should be followed and which rules shouldn't. I also believe that everything is a learning opportunity, when during practice do you work on (or even discuss) touching all bases on a homerun. Learning takes place at games just as much as it does at practice.

Sorry if it came across as an attack.

No apologies needed, I knew the day would come....I just never prepared for it. Rest assured it will be the first item discussed in our next practice. I take full responsability for letting it happen to her. I am the coach. That call should have never made it to the umpire for a decision.

 

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Alright I just need to play this out a little more for my heartless benefit.

For those who say you look the other way, are you saying you will never appeal regardless of the age and situation or just because you are kind-hearted people who feel bad for the 10U player on her first homerun?

What if this was her 10th homerun of the season as a 10U player and you knew it?

What if it was her second homerun of the game and she missed bases both times?

What if she was 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, etc...? When should she know better?

What if it were the championship of the tournament, and the run won the game?

What if it were the championship of ASA Nationals, and the run won the game?

If your answer is "I wouldn't do it, no matter what", then IMHO you are a fan and not a coach. If you answer yes to some and not to others, I simply think it is a slippery slope. It just seems easier to teach the runner to touch all the bases and take emotion and opinion out of play.

1st question...yes..initail post said 1st home run
2nd question...yes.again it was her first home run,
3rd question...yes...14 and up maybe, HS and higher. tough to specify age,
4th question...no she deserves her 1st home run I would not want to win that way
5th question...no she deserves her 1st home run..I would not want to win that way
Im sorry I just think this is a 10 year old that has hit ball over the fence and deserves a home run, yes she made a mistake by not touching home, I as a fan/coach would have a hard time taking that away from her...

 

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Let me add, this is kids. If it were the Chicago Cubs winning the World Series, sorry I appeal! Can't believe I said "Chicago Cubs winning World Series".

No worries. It only happens in hypothetical situations anyway.

 

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No worries. It only happens in hypothetical situations anyway.

Sad but true

 

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No apologies needed, I knew the day would come....I just never prepared for it. Rest assured it will be the first item discussed in our next practice. I take full responsability for letting it happen to her. I am the coach. That call should have never made it to the umpire for a decision.

Thanks BigJag. Tell her congratulations regardless and that there will be more homeruns in her future I am sure.

 

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It sounds like she may have actually touched home by your description. It is important to tell the girls in the dugout to stay back until after the batter touches home. They can wait behind the plate to congratulate her.

 

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We had a girl with bases loaded who came home on a walk to the next better. After she sits down, the opposing team appeals that she didn't touch base and the ump, who I am sure was not watching, gets bullied into calling it despite our girl showing him where her cleat mark was. We won the game but we coaches now make sure to watch each of our girls touch home plate.

 

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While the girl no doubt learned a valuable lesson, I think its bush for a coach at any level to appeal this. I mean, how could you feel good about that and any favorable outcomes to your team as a result of this? And while the umpire has no choice but to call it out if it was clearly visible, I would be tempted to not call it if it wasn't (i.e., a big crowd around home plate) ... probably part of the reason I will never be an umpire!

 

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Not to re-hash this topic because I am pretty sure I was in the minority, but since I was the one that gave all the 'what if' hypotheticals - I thought I would share this story from the 12U Nationals.

In what turned out to be our (Lasers Black) elimination game against the Corona Angels, in the 6th inning with the score of 2 to 0 Angels, an Angels batter hits a 3 run homerun. I am sitting in the dugout as she rounds the bases - somewhat disappointed. As the homerun hitter jumps into the pile of players at home, I see the umpire say something to my catcher and then raise his fist signifying an out. Obviously the coach from the Angels calls time and heads towards the umpire to understand what happened. My assistant coach turns to me "if he called her out for not touching the plate - that's terrible" - to which I of course disagree and we rehash virtually this entire thread during the rest of the inning.

At the end of the inning, as I am heading out to coach third and my catcher is walking off, I asked her what happened - she says "Coach, she didn't touch home, she jumped right over it. When I saw her do it, I told the umpire and he called her out." So I walk over to the umpire smiling - he smiles back and says "I had to call her out, your catcher stood right beside me and watched to make sure she touched the plate and appealed as soon as she didn't". Let it be known, that I never taught or encouraged her to do that.

We lost the game and the play ultimately had no impact on the outcome.

But the irony of the story is it was my assistant coach's daughter - the catcher who appealed the play because she knows the rules and plays by all of them. Good for her.