Pitching and Pitchers Discussion Pitchers replanting

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These girls have to be doing this during their pitching lessons. Does the pitching coach just ignore it or let's them go figuring that the illegal pitch won't be called. Would love to hear some pitching coaches way in on this topic. Kind of hurting the girl's in the long run, if the ump's ever decide to start enforcing the rules.

 

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It was my understanding that a replant was a girl leaping off the mound then replanting and delivering the pitch. Most of the time what I see are girls who just don't drag their toe. The pitching motion is uninterrupted, no replant then pushing off when delivering the pitch. Just as illegal but no real advantage.I believe this is why a lot of umps don't call it. It also amazes me that a coach can watch this for half a game till his team starts losing then bring it to the umps attention.

So if i read this right Pushing off when delivering the pitch? So this still off the pitching plate or after landing then pushing off again hence the Replant. If the later that is a Heck of an advantage which i see A ton girls do, and it cheating sorry

Now to the coach that Complains when losing? Does it matter when ever they Complain? IT's Very sad that he has to point Out at any time in a game that the other teams pitcher is Cheating and the Umps won't call it. Bet that the umps were told before game and choose to Not play by the rule book. Even More sad that a Coach with a cheating pitcher Would Complain that the other Coach is pointing out his pitcher is cheating.. HOw DARE HE!.. Let her keep Cheating the Umps aren't calling it Right!! Or prob the last 20 that yr haven't either. Would you be mad if your losing to another team and they're leaving base early all the time stealing home left and right and the umps won't call it??? would you point it out. Hope Not then your Complaining late in the game, HOw DARE YOU

but over all I agree that the rules should be removed and and let it not be a cheat no more not getting called anyways. and start teaching these girls at young age how to replant and get that extra 5 or so MPH per pitch.

 

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These girls have to be doing this during their pitching lessons. Does the pitching coach just ignore it or let's them go figuring that the illegal pitch won't be called. Would love to hear some pitching coaches way in on this topic. Kind of hurting the girl's in the long run, if the ump's ever decide to start enforcing the rules.

Not only does it hurt them in the present, how about their potential college career never happening because of it? I have heard of college coaches who will show up to watch a hot prospect, only to turn around and leave after the first pitch, because the prospect has a habit that they deem irreparable.

 

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Excarkunn, there's no need to go all boldface on this.

I'm thinking what Chicoflip means, is that some pitchers, while not deliberately re-planting, have their back foot dancing behind them during delivery. It ain't exactly a re-plant & it ain't a drag. No benefit was gained - a grey area in a rule book with no grey areas.

My little Louuuuu-ise has done this for years. I know it's not "legal", but it's very seldom called; I'm thinking because it's harmless.

 

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It was my understanding that a replant was a girl leaping off the mound then replanting and delivering the pitch. Most of the time what I see are girls who just don't drag their toe. The pitching motion is uninterrupted, no replant then pushing off when delivering the pitch. Just as illegal but no real advantage.I believe this is why a lot of umps don't call it. It also amazes me that a coach can watch this for half a game till his team starts losing then bring it to the umps attention.

What you describe that is common is "leaping" - when the pitcher does not drag the back toe, but releases the ball before planting it. It is still illegal, but no real advantage is gained. The replant puts the pitcher much closer to the plate before the release.

 

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at Sluggerfest 1 they called lots of other illegal pitches except the leap. Frustrating... umpire crew was pretty good other than that. If it's in the book, they are paid to call it. Especially when using a 2 man crew. Get-r-done!!!!

 

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I wouldn't call it leaping. Their not jumping out to the edge of the circle then letting it fly. It's more like Louuuuu is describing. A normal motion without the drag or very little. I did say it was illegal with no clear gain. That does not make it right. If a coach sees this and says nothing during warm ups why bring it up half way through the game other than to rattle the pitcher.

 

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We were in Akron this past weekend (summer slam). I watched a woman umpire call an illegal pitch in a 10u game for crow hopping in the first innng. She went out and explained to the pitcher what she was doing wrong. Called another in the same inning. The young girl did not come back out to pitch the second inning.

I have only seen this called three times this year in 10u but every time it was called by a female umpire. Is this a trend? Is a umpire who may have been a pitcher herself be more inclined to call it versus a guy who never pitched before?

 

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On the leaping but no replant thing, remember that with the frequent use of the fields during tournaments a hole often develops in front of the rubber. If the air between the plant foot and the ground results from such a hole, I believe most sanction rules state that this is not an illegal leap.

 

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The girl that pitches H.S. Ball where I used to live definitely does it and will get called once or twice occasionally then never again in game.

High School, Travel, College... even the Pros do it. I have heard from some coaches that opposing teams will go as far as video-taping the opponent to use later on-for whatever reason. Take it out of the book, because the ones that complain are the ones that are losing and are just trying to get in the pitchers head. We all know that's the main reason for bringing it up-as stated by an earlier poster.

Warren,
Does where you live or used to live have anything to do with it? Do some schools call it and some don't? Do most just play or do some just complain? I think the latter because of the above.

 

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On the leaping but no replant thing, remember that with the frequent use of the fields during tournaments a hole often develops in front of the rubber. If the air between the plant foot and the ground results from such a hole, I believe most sanction rules state that this is not an illegal leap.

If i'm not mistaken, I believe that the foot can not come above the pitching plate. If there is a hole, as long as their foot doesn't come above the plate it is not illegal. Bretman???

 

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High School, Travel, College... even the Pros do it. I have heard from some coaches that opposing teams will go as far as video-taping the opponent to use later on-for whatever reason. Take it out of the book, because the ones that complain are the ones that are losing and are just trying to get in the pitchers head. We all know that's the main reason for bringing it up-as stated by an earlier poster.
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If you teach your pitchers not to do it there wouldn't be an issue, would there? IMHO ;&

 

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Larry
I personally don't care if they do it or don't what I was getting at was if it's in the book call it. If your not gonna call it take it out period.

As far as coaches pointing it out in game some would say good coaching others would say bush. We have played a very elite team several times over the years and coach would complain about my pitcher not dragging her foot to get in her head unfortunately it worked. His theory was a good coach will exploit flaws in a team to win. Not sure I agree with that. I think there must be a line drawn.

also that was a rec game they video taped and I heard it was gonna be sent to portage south. Which I believe to be ridiculous since it was a 11 year old girl and why mess with her. I heard the argument that it's better to help her learn right way now as opposed to later. I also don't agree with that I think she does just fine. JMHO

 

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These girls have to be doing this during their pitching lessons. Does the pitching coach just ignore it or let's them go figuring that the illegal pitch won't be called. Would love to hear some pitching coaches way in on this topic. Kind of hurting the girl's in the long run, if the ump's ever decide to start enforcing the rules.

My DDs pitching coach will call out illegal pitch during lessons if she sees someone throwing illegally and then explains to them what they are doing, why it is illegal and work with them on fixing it so they throw legally.

 

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If you teach your pitchers not to do it there wouldn't be an issue, would there? IMHO ;&

AMEN!:yahoo:
The ones who get upset about it being called and about coaches complaining about it are the ones who are illegal, know it but pray they won't get called for it.....

If the pitching coaches are doing what they should be doing during lessons, then the girls are learning the correct way to pitch in lessons and thus, there would not be people throwing illegal, trying to defend throwing illegal or coaches who say something to the umpire from the first warm up pitch on about the legality of the pitcher .....

 

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I think the leap is a definite advantage which is why it's in the book as illegal. While it's rarely called, I personally think it should be called a lot more. (every time it's seen) To me it's no different than leaving the base a "little early" and saying "eh, what's a few inches". I have no problem with a coach talking to the umps about it.

 

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If i'm not mistaken, I believe that the foot can not come above the pitching plate. If there is a hole, as long as their foot doesn't come above the plate it is not illegal. Bretman???

You are correct. If there is hole in front of the pitching plate, or other uneven ground, the pivot foot may lose contact with the ground as long as it remains "flush" with the top of the hole.

 

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Being one of those really old guys. I've got to see this stuff to understand it. Especially since our youngest is determined to be a pitcher. Has anyone seen or aware of a video that illustrates the illegal motions, like replanting and crowhopping, so us slow folks can get a clear idea of what's good and what's bad?

 

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Someone posted a link to video of that very thing on here a few months ago. Not sure where though. ;&

 

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I think the leap is a definite advantage which is why it's in the book as illegal. While it's rarely called, I personally think it should be called a lot more. (every time it's seen) To me it's no different than leaving the base a "little early" and saying "eh, what's a few inches". I have no problem with a coach talking to the umps about it.

I agree the replant is an advantage, but on the leap both feet are in the air when the ball is released and I think the pitcher loses a lot of leg drive.