Pitching and Pitchers Discussion Pitchers replanting

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C'mon guys, this is an obvious one. We're not talking about the kid who is borderline, and maybe their toe leaves the ground before delivery. We're talking about the kid playing u-12 who is 5'11" and throws about 55 mph, and actually delivers the ball from 35 feet. And I know we have all seen them. I have NO problem with the little kid who is just learning to pitch, who crow-hops, but doesn't throw hard enough to dominate a game. But the dominating pitchers should be required to play by the rules. Believe it or not, my experience is better in our community league than in the tournaments we have played. We have one umpire in partiular who was a college pitcher who will call a crow-hop immediately, and consistently. I don't believe I have ever seen an illegal pitch called in a tournament by the umpires who should know better. I have a real issue with this one!

 

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Trouble is some get to start at 35" so it is 30 ! Left out the part I was talking about the 10's. . 12U is a big change from 40 and a larger ball. That year most pitchers struggle. They just don't have the fingers to adjust to the larger ball.

 

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Not in Northern Ohio...12-U pitches from 40. 10-U pitches from 35.

 

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Trouble is the 12U starts at 35" so it is 30!

No.... 10u is 35', 12u and up is 40', 18u is 43'

 

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12u is the same as 16u 40'. I think the 16 year olds need to go th the 43 like the 18u.

10u is 35
12-14 need 40
16-18 need 43 to get ready for college

 

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http://www.dartfish.tv/WebPresenter/Library.aspx?CR=p2655c1342
shows several different illegal pitches.

 

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What I don't understand is why not call it? If it is obvious, why not call it? I had umpire tell me and the opposing coach last weekend "I know she is pitching illegal but I am not calling it, this is 10U". My reply was "Exactly we should be teaching them the correct way now". Where does it stop? Can I just have my pitchers, who do pitch legal, just start a foot closer off the rubber all together so that they are releasing the pitch from the same distance as the girls that leap, or crow hop or any other form of illegal pitching. Or how about, well the bunt was only a little foul and this is 10U so we will just call it fair, you think that will fly. Absolutely not. The rules are the rules Umps should call them like they are supposed to and coaches should teach them like they are.

 

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Well said Nate

 

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Rules should be across the board in every tournament...Not different depending on which umpire you have - Our dd thankfully doesn't replant...but is wondering why parents of the child that does is videotaping ours

 

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thats easy. Mabey to help their DD do it right. My dd doesnt but if i see the right mechanics I make her watch so it she can see the right way.

 

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thats easy. Mabey to help their DD do it right. My dd doesnt but if i see the right mechanics I make her watch so it she can see the right way.

When I do this my dd gets mad. She thinks I'm telling her she stinks! ;&

 

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You dont have to leave the ground to replant. I am seeing lots of cases where they drag the trailing foot not losing contact with the ground but then there is a clear push again. Basically a crow hop but keeping contact. Very common cheat and most umpires have no clue about it as far as i have seen.

 

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Again, isn't this something that a pitching coach should pick up and comment upon?

 

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I guess this begs the question: How many pitchers have pitching coaches they have sessions with on a regular basis?
I am no expert, we depend on our coach to keep our dd on the straight and narrow -- and she's doing a great job teaching and refining our dd's mechanics. I can't imagine somebody just letting this go.

 

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All I can comment on are the kids I know. They all have pitching coaches and see them on a regular schedule. I have been to some camps that showed kids what I think is not correct and would harm them. .

 

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Wow, ValleySting, if I were you I wouldn't speak for "everyone" when making that statement. :lmao: I've seen plnty of coaches from WINNING teams bring it to the attention of umps BEFORE the first official pitch is even thrown. And to those who say there is NO ADVANTAGE WHATSOEVER gained from flying off the pitching plate without dragging the foot, you clearly have not taken many courses on Sports Physiology in college.

The drag causes a certain amount of friction that impedes the momentum of the pitcher's progress toward the batter. Kind of like the difference between wide receivers in the CFL who get a running start in their routes, whereas NFL receives must take off at the snap. And how do the CFL receivers normally do in the NFL? Um, they typically don't get there, because they don't get to use their advantage of unimpeded forward movement.

I've seen pitching coaches pull a radar gun out and prove that a pitch can easily travel 3-5 MPH faster when the pitcher explodes off the plate, unimpeded by the dragging of the rear foot. Just my 2cents (and some physics facts) worth.
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Take it out of the book, because the ones that complain are the ones that are losing and are just trying to get in the pitchers head. We all know that's the main reason for bringing it up-as stated by an earlier poster.

 

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If it's an illegal pitch, call it. Shouldn't matter what the score/who the team is. If it's not going to be called, then take it out of the rule book. The rules should be applied, not ignored.

 

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thats easy. Mabey to help their DD do it right. My dd doesnt but if i see the right mechanics I make her watch so it she can see the right way.

Problem is...she makes it quite clear that SHE thinks her daughter is doing nothing wrong - maybe she is comparing.