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Take at look at NCAA.org; where you register for the NCAA Clearinghouse. This is for athletes who want to sign with a Division I or II team to play ball. There are some carefully worded questions that applicants must answer regarding monetary rewards/benefits that they have received in their "travel years".
I'd be careful with this one........
I'd be careful with this one........
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We ( Ohio Hawks) offer a pitching scholarship.
We did our home work with NCAA and OHSAA to make sure we do not violate a player's ametuer status.
Feel free to PM Doug or I for details on our scholarship program.
We did our home work with NCAA and OHSAA to make sure we do not violate a player's ametuer status.
Feel free to PM Doug or I for details on our scholarship program.
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Hopefully every player on a team is getting private instruction, hitting,catching, speed training, etc.
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1.) Why do we call it a "scholarship" when it does not involve school tuition?
2.) Doesn't this action initiate feelings of unfairness to the non-pitchers on the team - who contribute just as much to your success, but end up paying more?
2.) Doesn't this action initiate feelings of unfairness to the non-pitchers on the team - who contribute just as much to your success, but end up paying more?
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1.) Why do we call it a "scholarship" when it does not involve school tuition?
2.) Doesn't this action initiate feelings of unfairness to the non-pitchers on the team - who contribute just as much to your success, but end up paying more?
there has to be a little of diva-ness with a pitcher. You can hit all you want, but you're not beating anyone without pitching. We can tease all we want (and i have too, dont get me wrong) about daddy ball pitchers and such, but if it werent for daddy teaching his DD how to pitch, there'd be far less teams. I'd say go for it
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Would less teams necessarily be a bad thing? Not sure that a team for every daddy that wants his DD to be the pitcher is the answer.
Kudos though to those that do put in the time & money.
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Because if we call it anything else we could be in violation of the NCAA and/or OHSAA...
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I'm not sure what teams you speak of that do this...but I assume the Hawks are one of them after reading there post, but Pitching and Catching scholarships offered to travel players is the biggest marketing load of crappola I have ever heard!!!!
When you start doing this it's not about player development but a simple ploy to get some of the best players to switch teams because they offer a discounted rate. I'm sorry but pitching and catching is no more important that any other position either on offensive or defensive. Just my 2 cents worth.
When you start doing this it's not about player development but a simple ploy to get some of the best players to switch teams because they offer a discounted rate. I'm sorry but pitching and catching is no more important that any other position either on offensive or defensive. Just my 2 cents worth.
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schol?ar?ship
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1. learning; knowledge acquired by study; the academic attainments of a scholar.
2. a sum of money or other aid granted to a student, because of merit, need, etc., to pursue his or her studies.
3. the position or status of such a student.
4. a foundation to provide financial assistance to students.
I can only speak to how we use it and their is no antimosity that I know of. We had 13 teams last year and nearly 40 coaches and some of our teams did not offer any scholarships. Out of nearly 40 (and 26 available scholarships) coaches, I think there were maybe five coaches dds that received "scholarships".
There is not one of the Hawks board members' kids that is a pitcher so scholarships are offered for one reason. As a fee reduction to a player who not only invests in hitting and fielding instruction (like most of our players do) but also in pitching instruction. This financial and time commitment by this scholar-athlete plus a proven track record of success, would make a pitcher eligible to receive a Hawks' scholarship.
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1. learning; knowledge acquired by study; the academic attainments of a scholar.
2. a sum of money or other aid granted to a student, because of merit, need, etc., to pursue his or her studies.
3. the position or status of such a student.
4. a foundation to provide financial assistance to students.
I can only speak to how we use it and their is no antimosity that I know of. We had 13 teams last year and nearly 40 coaches and some of our teams did not offer any scholarships. Out of nearly 40 (and 26 available scholarships) coaches, I think there were maybe five coaches dds that received "scholarships".
There is not one of the Hawks board members' kids that is a pitcher so scholarships are offered for one reason. As a fee reduction to a player who not only invests in hitting and fielding instruction (like most of our players do) but also in pitching instruction. This financial and time commitment by this scholar-athlete plus a proven track record of success, would make a pitcher eligible to receive a Hawks' scholarship.
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The Heart of Ohio has a wonderful scholarship program they hand out to girls at the end of their playing days to help with college, that is a "Scholarship." Giving out reduced players fees is not a "scholarship," no matter how you want to candy coat it.
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We have started a foundation to do the same and that is awesome that organizations do this. Heart of Ohio is a great organization and I encourage any and all to check them out this tryout season.
I am not sure what you would have us call it...Obamacare? In the end it is not the words one speaks it is their actions that matter. We tried something (scholarship) different last year because we felt it was right and we will continue the program again this year due to it's success.
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Here's the deal. Whether we agree or disagree, it's their organization and they can run it how they see fit. We've all been around parents long enough to see the potential pitfalls with handing out free money, i.e. jealousy, animosity, anger, rejection, resentment, favoritism, etc. However, maybe they have a method to deal with these issues, maybe they are not issues at all, who knows. I can only speak for how I would feel, if I spent money on hitting and fielding lessons only to see a pitcher get preferential treatment becuase her training is more important than mine. Others might not have a problem with it at all. It's not like Yahtzee is holding a gun to your head making you play for the Hawks (Herman, maybe;&)
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That's funny Wave 14u...
Pitching is not as critical as the other positions? Really? A pitcher can single handedly win games. No position player has the direct ability to affect the outcome - regardless of the opposition. Teams can work around stud hitters, fielders / catchers can impact the other team strategy and aggressivness but a pitcher can mow thru a lineup and win a game with little help from the defense. Not that it happens all the time but we have pitchers that win 85% of their games on their effort alone.
We want/require our pitchers to take weekly lessons from Oct-Feb to get the reduced fees/scholorship. We have no issues with other parents - they all want their DD's team to have a stud pitcher to play behind - it sets the tone for a successful season.
On any given team less than 1 or 2 players pay for hitting instruction on a weekly basis - our scholorship pitchers do - we would rather recognize that committment and help them to financially afford it for all of our benefit.
Pitching is not as critical as the other positions? Really? A pitcher can single handedly win games. No position player has the direct ability to affect the outcome - regardless of the opposition. Teams can work around stud hitters, fielders / catchers can impact the other team strategy and aggressivness but a pitcher can mow thru a lineup and win a game with little help from the defense. Not that it happens all the time but we have pitchers that win 85% of their games on their effort alone.
We want/require our pitchers to take weekly lessons from Oct-Feb to get the reduced fees/scholorship. We have no issues with other parents - they all want their DD's team to have a stud pitcher to play behind - it sets the tone for a successful season.
On any given team less than 1 or 2 players pay for hitting instruction on a weekly basis - our scholorship pitchers do - we would rather recognize that committment and help them to financially afford it for all of our benefit.
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Quite frankly guys, what does $100.00 really cover - By my calcs...2 maybe 3 lessons at most - Doug's group is offering some help to offset the costs they are incurring outside of regular fees.
We do not offer reduced fees for certain positions, however we do offer the opportunity to play for basically free...75% of all sponsorship money brought in by the parents goes back to their DD's player fee...until paid in full - We had 5 or 6 kids that payed their entire $450.00 player fee by bringing in sponsors. We expect all of our players to work outside of practice...Most of their parents choose to solicite outside help from someone that knows what they are talking about (or in some cases, makes them believe they do LOL).
It just comes down to this - Travel ball is a financial strain on most parents...in one way or another. Any opportunity to take some of that burden away should be explored....Oh yeah, not a bad recruiting tool either ;&
We do not offer reduced fees for certain positions, however we do offer the opportunity to play for basically free...75% of all sponsorship money brought in by the parents goes back to their DD's player fee...until paid in full - We had 5 or 6 kids that payed their entire $450.00 player fee by bringing in sponsors. We expect all of our players to work outside of practice...Most of their parents choose to solicite outside help from someone that knows what they are talking about (or in some cases, makes them believe they do LOL).
It just comes down to this - Travel ball is a financial strain on most parents...in one way or another. Any opportunity to take some of that burden away should be explored....Oh yeah, not a bad recruiting tool either ;&
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Well all I can say is if you play with just a pitcher and catcher on the field or in the lineup your not going to win many, if any, ball games. Try playing with just eight and see how your winning % goes down. Without the likes of Crystl Bustos, Jess Mendoza, Natasha Whatley, etc....Jennie Finch, Cat Osterman would not win anything, as the opposite is true as well.
Just for me, which is about the cost of a couple 2 cent stamps, I would never monetarily say that one position is more important or that they work harder by giving out a reduction in fees. What is good for one is good for all, if the hitters and fielders are working as hard as the pitchers and catchers then give them the "scholarship" as well. You are right, it is the Hawks or whoever else does this, their perogative to do so, and if it works..it works, but were all allowed to have an opinion and this is mine. FWIW
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Everyone talks about how the other players have to take hitting/fielding lessons so pitchers shouldn't get a money break. So, do your pitchers not hit or field the ball? Granted, I am a pitcher's parent. And it was our choice to provide DD with professional training. However, how many positions truly put in as much time, money and effort learning a specific skill in addition to hitting training/practice and also fielding. Most pitchers play at least one other position that has different logistics than their primary position, so add some completely different practice. So basically, I really don't know how I feel about the scholarship issue. I just think its very unfair to minimize the true amount of work a pitcher has to perform in order to be truly valuable.
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I agree with the Hawks in trying to lesson the burden of pitcher's families financially. If we are talking about fairness, if a pitcher does one lesson a week from Oct-Feb at $50 a lesson, that is $1000. Now most pitchers will also be attending strength and agility and hitting lessons like the other girls on the team. The entire team will benefit from the pitcher refining her skills in the circle with private lessons.
I disagree with the notion that pitching is on the same plane as all the other positions. There is no other position on the field that has as much impact on the success of the team as a pitcher with a well honed skill set. All positions are important, a center fielder (or any other position player) having a bad day will cost runs. If your offense is not hitting, you will have a tough game to win. If your pitcher is having a bad day, you may not get out of the third inning before the mercy rule is invoked. JMHO
I disagree with the notion that pitching is on the same plane as all the other positions. There is no other position on the field that has as much impact on the success of the team as a pitcher with a well honed skill set. All positions are important, a center fielder (or any other position player) having a bad day will cost runs. If your offense is not hitting, you will have a tough game to win. If your pitcher is having a bad day, you may not get out of the third inning before the mercy rule is invoked. JMHO
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Who many games have you won with so-so pitching or poor pitching? I don't care how good your glove is if your pitcher is getting clobbered on the mound.
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