Play with a nose piercing?

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Question for umpires. Is it a saftey issue for the girls wearing the earings or for the others on the field. Because for the life of me I can not see how an earing would hurt anyone else on the field I understand if my DD has one in her ear and gets hit it would cause more damage but How can an earing hurt another player. They let these girls play with braces(I know they can not help it) and I have seen collisions between athletes where they could cause some damage to both players . I think if they want to wear earings they should be able too. There would have to a rule on the type I know you do not want your 1st baseman wearing 4 inch hoop earings but stud earing I see no problem with...JMHO

 

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no jewelry of any type. she could probably get away with a bandaid, but if the ump sees it she'll probably have to remove it. just wait till season is over.

 

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[quote author=ManitouDan link=1216737361/0#9 date=1216748730]this thread deserves to go off topic Why is it belly rings are hot and nose rings are gross ? At least thats the way most guys I know think . MD

Because noses and what's in them are gross. There ain't nothin inside a belly button but the echo ;D
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And some lint...... ;D

 

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"Now, if there is tape on a player's earlobe or nose- places where jewelry is commonly found, I'm going to ask about it and see what we have."

And if it's a big oozing zit, then what? Are you going to apologize to the girl for the embarrassment you caused her? Why must you worry about what "might" be under a band-aid? Leave it alone and call the game.

 

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Why must I worry about it?

Because if it is a safety rule that I refuse to enforce and my failure to enforce it results in an injury to a game participant, there can be a degree of legal liability on my part.

I've grown kind of fond of my house, my car and my assets over the years and would really like to keep them...

Personally, I hate being the fashion police. But since this is a rule designed for player safety, and I'm being paid to enforce those rules, I have an obligation that must be met.

If this ever comes up, I am not going to force a kid to remove the tape or bandaid to prove to me what's underneath it. I will ask her and her coach what the bandaid is for. If they assure me that no jewelry is being worn under it, that is good enough for me. And, in the event of injury, it also shifts the legal liabilty to them for knowingly violating a safety rule.

 

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Why worry about it? Because he Associations are insured by an insurance carrier as well. I have heard more "hey get a mask on warming up pitchers" this past summer than ever before. Injuries can be filed as claims under the umbrella after the deductable is paid for and any association wants to keep any claims to a minimum. Getting a piece of jewelry caught on someone or a helmet collision pushing an earing stud into her neck could and has happened before....


As for Tattoos and employment, as Brian Setzer states... "get em anywhere but on your face and hands, so they can be covered up when you're in front of a judge"

 

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Part of the pre-game conference with coaches and captains should include the question "Are your players properly attired and equipped". If they answer in the affirmative then you are covered from liability standpoint. If you discover a violation during the contest (band aid falls off, shirt flies up, etc.) then the coach cannot argue that he or she was not warned in advance. Enforce the penalty at that point. If a good official in any sport does his or her job correctly they will not be the centerpiece of the contest, such as would be the case if an official felt the need to stop a game once it had started and ask what a band aid might be hiding.

 

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IMO, I think it's a stupid rule which has no bearing whatsoever on the game. Jewelry is allowed in the college game and above. So we're basically saying an injury to a college player is OK, but NOT OK to a 16 yr. old? Unfortunately, that's NOT the issue here. The issue is that the sanctioning bodies are dealing with MINORS, and when there is a perceived lack of safety precautions in place, well - that's when attorneys tend to get involved. And signing a waiver won't necessarily let the TD and sanctioning body off the hook.

Everyone has the right to raise their kids as they see fit. As a parent, you can even REQUIRE your DD to shave her head and get tatoos and piercings from head to toe. Those are personal issues and parenting decisions. Unfortunately, the decisions you make as a parent can, and do, affect your kids in ways you may not agree with. They may be prohibited from playing softball in certain situations. They may not be considered for a CEO position of a large corporation when they get older because the board of directors has a "thing" about tatoos . Right or wrong, good or bad, rules are rules. The decisions YOU make for your kids WILL affect them as they get older. That's something that every parent has to live with. I certainly have to, and you do too.

Besides, there are a LOT of things a serious softball player should be concerned about besides jewelry! Is it really THAT important? If it truly is, maybe she should consider something other than sports that don't allow jewelry. I think a better approach would be to tell her if softball is important to her, forget the jewelry for a couple years and just polish her skills. She can wear all the jewelry she wants in college ball - seen and unseen!

 

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tatoo's and piercing's do not make a kid a bad kid playedout08.........
my youngest dd (16) is a +4.0 student and has pierced ears and her cartledge
(SP?) pierced and is going to get a religious tatoo with her older 18 yr old sister
it will be on the back shoulder that can be covered up when in a place of employment when
she is older (which she plans on being a doctor) and it will have a special religion and bonding meaning between the two of them. Talk about being stereo typed!!!!! ?

No i don't think they should play with Jewelry on for their saftey.. but watch some of the major league players play with a bunch of chains around their necks. I also understand they are old enough to make
that decision so i don't complain about it.. ?

 

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So, just cover up the jewelry?

What should Pebbles do? ?That bone could leave a mark...

 

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this thread deserves to go off topic ? Why is it belly rings are hot and nose rings are gross ? ? At least thats the way most guys I know think . ? MD

Why am I not surprised!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D

 

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Part of the pre-game conference with coaches and captains should include the question "Are your players properly attired and equipped". If they answer in the affirmative then you are covered from liability standpoint. If you discover a violation during the contest (band aid falls off, shirt flies up, etc.) then the coach cannot argue that he or she was not warned in advance. Enforce the penalty at that point. If a good official in any sport does his or her job correctly they will not be the centerpiece of the contest, such as would be the case if an official felt the need to stop a game once it had started and ask what a band aid might be hiding.

Who said they would stop the game and make a big show of this? Who is asking to be the center of attention?

I can't speak for anybody else but, personally, if something like this ever comes up (and it is exceedingly rare, as I do ask coaches to verify that their players are properly equiped at the pre-game conference) I will be discreet about it. More than likely, rather than confronting the player, I will confront her coach about this. My take is that I do not personally ask players to remove anything- I deal with her coach and let the coach handle it.

This can be done during downtime (between innings, etc.) and I doubt that anyone watching the game will even know it was being discussed.

Just for the record, for this entire spring and summer season, a string of about 60-70 games I've umpired, I have had to address a player about jewelry (other than the standard per-game discussion with coaches) exactly once- and that did not involve tape or bandaids, but rather a chain worn around the neck. Hardly a spotlight-grabbing number of incidents...

It's been said many times that good officials go unnoticed. While the last thing I want is to draw unecessary attention to myself, I think that some officials go to an extreme with the "not being noticed" idea. Frankly, there will be many times when an official must interject to make a tough call- and you will be noticed, whether you like it or not.

What if you see a player using an illegal bat? Do you let it slide, so as not to draw the spotlight, or do you stop the game to address it? Illegal pitch calls are always controversial. Do you ignore them for fear that calling them will make you the center of attention? There are a host of calls that might require for the umpire to stop the game and address them, not to draw attention to himself, but to properly manage the game and its rules.

If an official is shying away from making tough or controversial calls, just so that he can go "unnoticed", then that official is not doing the job he is being paid for.

 

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Poor comparison. Illegal bats and illegal pitches are obvious and in plain sight. They hardly equate to fretting over what a 1/4" diameter band aid may or may not be hiding.

 

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Dang Louuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu ! ?

Who'd woulda thunk it yesterday when you started your simple little post, that it would grow legs and take off like it did??? ;D

Can't believe this has gone past a handful of responses (must be a sign that the season is coming to an end, lol). ?

 

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Backstop,

You seem intent on arguing about...well...something...but I'm not really sure what or why.

I already stated why it is the umpire's duty to enforce all safety rules, the different jewelry rule for different sanctioning bodies, how this can be handled discretely, without delay to the game or embarasment to the player and noted that it comes up about once in a blue moon.

That's how I handle it and will continue to handle it, content that this approach is an effective way dealing with jewelry problems.

Is there some issue you have with umpires enforcing safety rules in general, or have you had some specific issues with jewlery at your games?

 

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Our CF has her ear cartilage pierced, and had it covered with flesh colored medical tape - she had just gotten it and it wasn't healed so she didn't want to take it out.
The ump stopped her coming off the field and made her remove it....why....because the coach on the other team complained.

She did remove it, apologized to the ump and explained that she wasn't trying to pull one over or break the rules, she just didn't think it would matter because she is not really making contact with anyone in CF and batting she has a helmet on.

He told her he didn't notice it but had to address it when they complained.

 

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Our CF has her ear cartilage pierced, and had it covered with flesh colored medical tape - she had just gotten it and it wasn't healed so she didn't want to take it out.
The ump stopped her coming off the field and made her remove it....why....[highlight]because the coach on the other team complained.[/highlight]

She did remove it, apologized to the ump and explained that she wasn't trying to pull one over or break the rules, she just didn't think it would matter because she is not really making contact with anyone in CF and batting she has a helmet on.

He told her he didn't notice it but had to address it when they complained.

What a low life coach...hope you kicked their buttz

 

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My daughter has a nose piercing, she is 16. She's been asked to take it out when she plays. SInce then, it's no big deal, she just knows it is what is expected. If you wait til after softball, it will have time to heal.

 

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A definite safety issue!! I work in an ER and had a player that had her nose stud ripped out....not good, not good at all!! I have also had a girl come in because during a game, her nose ring had been hit during an attempt to tag a runner....the ring went inward, she inhaled and it got lodged in her sinus. My opinion.....wait until Fall.......plenty of time to heal, so the ring can be removed during a game.

 

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How bout let's put em in a bubble and hope they never grow up? There is a lot of potential harm that will come their way both on and off the field. Some silly piercing whether it be one we can see or one we can't is only a very small worry.