Playing up at an ASA Q - team cannot play age group at nationals.

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I have found out that if a teams plays up in an ASA Q they cannot drop back down to their age group during the nationals. Once they play up (win or not from what I understand) they are stuck at that age group in postseason.

I noticed a lot of teams played up in ASA Q so far this year. I hope they are aware of the rule.

 

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I think the Heart of Ohio was an ASA Q . If that is the case, I hope all the 14U's that played 16U were aware of this.

 

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Didn't Laser Gold win HOH 16U? Great job but hope it doesn't mess them up for 14U nationals.

 

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What is the point of an ASA Eastern Regional Qualifier when all you have to do to get a berth is attend the ASA State qualifier. TD's should figure this out and do away with the "qualifier". Why punish teams for trying to get better? Did they check everyones roster becuase I bet there were a lot of "pick up" players being used since some girls are still playing in high school.

 

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To be locked in to an age by National ASA code it would take playing in a qualifier for USA/ASA Nationals. I know they call Eastern Regionals "Nationals", but as defined by ASA Code a qualifier to regionals is not "championship play" while a qualifer to nationals is considered "championship play". IMU Regionals themselves are considered championship play, but the qualifiers to regionals aren't. Similar to ASA State is considered Championship play, but any tournament (i.e. league championship) that qualifies you for ASA State is not.

Your local ASA can add rules so I would check with them for a ruling as well. I don't know if "Heart of Ohio" had a berth to USA/ASA Nationals or just Eastern Regionals, but it's worth knowing the distinction.

It seems doubtful that ASA would be offering up a 16U berth to College Station TX USA/ASA Nationals at a tournament being held before HS ball is even complete. But Idk

 

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What is the point of an ASA Eastern Regional Qualifier when all you have to do to get a berth is attend the ASA State qualifier. TD's should figure this out and do away with the "qualifier". Why punish teams for trying to get better? Did they check everyones roster becuase I bet there were a lot of "pick up" players being used since some girls are still playing in high school.

Exactly, we've been talking about this same thing for our tournaments. We kicked around the idea to hold our fall tournament as just an ASA "open" tournament. No sense in making it a 2011 qualifier. Just a hassle teams don't need for a fall tournament and no worries about playing up.

 

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Same here... we are probably not going to make our Fall tourney a qualifier .. leave it open and the let teams play and find out something about there teams....

 

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here we go again. Just kiddin ' it's a very worthy topic . we beat this to death last fall. some folks just don't like losing to a younger age group. Seems to rub them raw. MD

 

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Snocat. I was looking to pick up a player who's team had won an ENQ in the fall and Warren Jones said that I could pick her up but she couldn't play in any qualifiers because that birth "redlined" the other teams roster and she couldn't participate until after Championship Play had concluded in August even with a release from the coach. He said ENQ Qaulifiers were "championship play". You may want to give him a call. There is another thread about that and the risk of playing pick up kids at qualifiers.

 

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As someone else posted. With high school ball going on, many have to use pick up players. Those are the players that get in trouble. Most coaches know what they are going to play in . If you are going to go to USSSA nationals then who cares if you play up in ASA. Only the coaches know where they plan on playing.

 

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I think last year a team in another state had already qualified to ASA A Nationals so they played up in their ASA "State" qualifier. This is diffrerent than an ASA Eastern Regional qualifier. I hope for everyone's sake that snocatzdad is right. We passed on a tournament next weekend and opted for a friendly due to this rumor and did not want to take any chances.

 

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I think we should all start writing or emailing A.S.A to make a clear cut line in the sand where it stands and to which rules all of A.S.A will be following. Take the mens slow pitch for an example, look how each player is given a classification. Yet girls that play on "A" Class teams can play at the "B" Nationals with that same "A" Class team. If you are an "A" team and you stink then to bad its still "A" Nationals for you, and like wise if you are an TRUE "B" CLASS team and kick everyone else's butt than so be it and shame on the "A" Teams for not giving a better fight...

They way the system is now is totally unfair to true "B" teams and denies those girls the right to play at nationals against their own classification type teams...

 

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I think last year a team in another state had already qualified to ASA A Nationals so they played up in their ASA "State" qualifier. This is diffrerent than an ASA Eastern Regional qualifier. I hope for everyone's sake that snocatzdad is right. We passed on a tournament next weekend and opted for a friendly due to this rumor and did not want to take any chances.

That may have been a wise move. I turned down two 18U ASA Q tournaments that we really wanted to play in after being informed of the rule. I did not want to jeopardize the girls chances to play in an ASA Nationals in the age group (16U).

 

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Even in this case ( 14u playing 16u or 16u playing 18u) you still have the right as a team to PASS and let the other team have the Berth. It would make no difference if you wanted to play up with the understanding in the begining of tourrney that you wanted to give the berth to the qualifying age group. JMO

 

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From my own experience: 15U DD played 18u last year, was noy sureif team would attend Nat'ls or Easterns. There were a couple 16u teams interested in picking her up for Nat'ls & Eastrns, she COULD NOT play as 16u since she had already played in a qualifier at 18u, which was an Eastern Qualifier.

 

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Even in this case ( 14u playing 16u or 16u playing 18u) you still have the right as a team to PASS and let the other team have the Berth. It would make no difference if you wanted to play up with the understanding in the begining of tourrney that you wanted to give the berth to the qualifying age group. JMO

WRONG. As per Mr. Jones, if you play up, you are stuck.

 

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WRONG. As per Mr. Jones, if you play up, you are stuck.

even if you pass on the berth?? Makes no sense if that is the case.

 

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even if you pass on the berth?? Makes no sense if that is the case.

Agree, makes no sense. But lesson learned. You don't have to qualify, or earn the berth, all you have to do is participate in any championship play, and last year a Eastern Qualifier was considered to be championship play. Again, this came straight from Warren Jones and ASA.

 

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So now a team like the Lasers Gold who will be playing up most of the year to challenge themselves to prepare for the true nationals are now shafted? Why would ASA force a team to play competition that us detrimental to their development. If the cincy doom is the best 14u team in the state and they cant play up to challenge themselves, they will essentially be forced to play lesser teams all year. How is that making them better. I find it hard to believe that our best Ohio teams are already ineligable for the ASA/USA.

 

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So now a team like the Lasers Gold who will be playing up most of the year to challenge themselves to prepare for the true nationals are now shafted? Why would ASA force a team to play competition that us detrimental to their development. If the cincy doom is the best 14u team in the state and they cant play up to challenge themselves, they will essentially be forced to play lesser teams all year. How is that making them better. I find it hard to believe that our best Ohio teams are already ineligable for the ASA/USA.

If the above mentioned teams wanted to challenge themselves and were good enought to win a qualifier in an older age bracket why wouldn't they want to continue challenging themselves and play in an older nationals?