Retalliation coach ordered pitcher to hit our first batter

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I am not saying it never happens and that you shouldn't be prepared for it, and yes sometimes kids do it on their own, but I'm saying no adult coach should ever tell a kid to do it ... do we agree on that?

 

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Gotta be honest guys. If I know a coach instructed their player to do this, we'd have a conference in the parking lot after the game. If my player was seriously injured, the conference would be alot sooner. It's BS period. The kid's well being come before everything else. Have some class and common sense.

 

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It's odd how everyone is all weepy about a kid getting hit with a pitch and poor sportmanship in something that is just supposed to be a fun game but in the next breath are threatening to beat up a coach in the parking lot if not sooner if it ever happens to them. Seems to me beating the hell out of a coach in the parking lot isn't very good sportsmanship either, worse than a hit batter for sure!!!

 

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Let me just say this, my DD has been hit intentionally a few times. I, myself, didn't know it was intentional during the games. She told me afterwards. She says she can just tell when they are aiming for her. In one of these instances, she heard the opposing coach behind the backstop telling his pitcher to "Snap one at her". My DD said all she thought was "Cr@p, here it comes" and she began turning away from it before the pitch was released. Sure enough, it hit her in her pitching arm. She smiled and took her base. She knows it's parts of the game, I know it's part of the game. I will say that if a player came after my DD with a bat, then we'd have problems....

 

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If any adult coach, tells a kid, who is a minor, to hit a kid, that coach could have charges brought up against him or her if serious injury were to occur at a minimum of contributing to the delinquency of a minor. If the kid is 18 or above, it's on both of them.

Any moron who tells a kid to hit someone on purpose with a projectile on purpose, has no business around kids period!!

It is not a part of any kids game, no unwritten rule or any of that B.S.!! period end of story, and if you think that it is part of the game, you are a part of the problem and not the solution.

 

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Then I guess I'm part of the problem, since I think it's part of the game. I didn't say it was a good part, I didn't say it was a right part. I just said it was part. And you, sir, are not the judge and jury of who should be allowed around my children. I just choose not to raise my children to be some milquetoast pantywaist who gets all offended and bent out of shape over things that happen due to human nature.

I sure hope your high horse doesn't throw you off...

 

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I don't know that my dd has ever been intentionally hit at the plate nor have I ever witnessed her intentionally attempt to harm an opposing player. I don't have a dog in this fight per se, but in our experience the travel ball world is simply a microcosm of the bigger world at large. Some great adults and young people and some that are not so great. People that play well with others and some that dont. People with good moral character and some that are more like cartoon characters. We do our best to find like minded folks for our dds to associate with but sometimes the worst just comes out in people.

 

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Again, 25's dad, there is no/zero/nil reason to do this, and any coach who orders this is an *** in my opinion. To imply that it's OK to do in the midsection or somewhere it's not going to hurt is just plain wrong. And besides, does the ball always go the heighth that a pitcher wants it do? What if it does go a little high and hit the head or the elbow? How would you feel if it's your daughter who gets retaliated on?

Thank you for assuming you know how I feel on this matter. I don't believe I ever offered a single opinion in my post. Go back and read it Coach!!! You asked for clarification to someone's post and I gave it. And to answer your question, if I felt my daughter got dotted in retaliation for something that she did, I accept it. We talk about it after the game.

I'm sorry, the more I think about this I think that there is some serious misguided parents out there. Do I hope for injuries, Heavens no!!! Life is about concenquenses. If a player does "A", they should expect that there will be reprocussions for their actions. Too much blame being thrown around these days with no ownership for ourselves and our actions.

OWN WHAT YOU DO!!! The good and the bad.

 

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Then I guess I'm part of the problem, since I think it's part of the game. I didn't say it was a good part, I didn't say it was a right part. I just said it was part. And you, sir, are not the judge and jury of who should be allowed around my children. I just choose not to raise my children to be some milquetoast pantywaist who gets all offended and bent out of shape over things that happen due to human nature.

I sure hope your high horse doesn't throw you off...

Wow, then you are missing the point of youth sports..... Sorry, don't ride horses too Much HorseH#@# around....

 

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Why is the coach who lets a girl pitch when he knows she is going to hit at least one kid a game any better than one who tells a girl to retaliate? They are both knowingly putting opponents at risk.

 

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Bottom line is, "how we play the game", means something. We are not just coaches, we are teachers. Softball teaches life lessons in with all the runs and outs. If you do not understand that, then you should not be coaching young people.

We will win or lose with class and respect for the game and our opponents. If our opponent is classless, it does not mean we change who we are. Does not make us weak and it does not mean we will not fight to protect them.

Sorry, my opinion.

 

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DING DING DING, It's about class, integrity and sportsmanship not showmanship and pumping a chest out..... Had the best compliments from two umps in a game last week about the girls having class vs. a not very nice opponent, enough said... I'd rather take a loss and have class than take a win and be known as an A@@.

 

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25's dad ... sorry, it does sound like I mis-read your post.

But I still stand firmly by my points that an adult coach should never ask/suggest to a player to do this. What an adult or kid does on their own is a different story. Warren probably said it best above ... Warren, that would be a great interview question to ask for prospective coaches, huh?

 

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Because he does not know she is going to hit any batter in any game. Telling one to hit a batter is Apples and oranges.....

Sure he knows she is going to hit someone. Read the original post. The coach said his pitcher averages at least one hit batter per game. It may not be purposeful, but the coach knows it is going to happen yet he continues to throw her game after game. Sooner or later, opponents are going to get tired of being hit even if it is "accidental".

 

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HBP is part of the game - meaning it will happen. It should not be intentional or ever directed from a coach. Every weekend at 18U, it seems like kids on our team got hit and our pitchers hit a couple here and there. I would never want my DD to do it on purpose. She hit one of her soon-to-be college teammates in the helmet last night and they laughed about it after the game.

 

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Wow ! If nothing else I know who my DD would never play for ! "Backstop09" , so if we go by your theory any girl who hits a batter should never pitch ? If shes ever hit 1 , then the possibility of hitting another 1 is always there ! I can't believe that some coaches accept that a coach calling a retaliation pitch is part of the game , ridiculous ! By the way I did mention it was our 9th batter , she was also subbing for us and has an open stance due to the fact that she had a hard time catching up to this pitcher. So she wasn't able to completely turn out of the way , she was hit more in the side of her stomach . I'm glad to see that some coaches out there do still have class and I hope parents and their DD's check this thread out before trying out for some teams !!!!!

 

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Two words come to mind: Bush League. What was the age group? (Not that it matters much, but hoping it is 16u or older). I have 12 daughters (my team) and intentionally injuring one of my girls might cause me to get in touch with my inner redneck.

 

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I find it amusing that anyone would equate hitting a batter with somehow not being a "milquetoast pantywaist". I would never direct one of my players to purposely throw at a batter. That to me is nothing short of a coach defending their manhood in a girl's game. There's no place for it.


Just because you play with class doesn't mean you are somehow weak. Why do people equate anger and lack of self-control with toughness? True toughness to me is when your player takes being hit without allowing their emotions to get involved. We've even joked about not even rubbing it after they've been hit. The way i see it is if it was unintentional we just got a free base. If it was done on purpose we didnt give them the satisfaction of knowing that they succeeded in their intentions.


The majority of kids on my team will smile after they're hit and jog to first base with the smile on their face. Intentions are difficult to know. I would say that the vast majority of the time a pitcher hits a batter unintentionally. So unless I'm tipped off I see no reason to assume. Even then I don't see the need to follow a coach into the parking lot. If a coach feels the need to resort to this type of thing they are likely not very respected anyway. They can go live with their own conscience.

 

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An "Ace Pitcher" should have enough control not to plunk a kid an average of once a game. That said, I take issue with those who says it's "part of the game." That's ridiculous.
Where is it stated in ANY rulebook, that once a batter is hit, then the opposing team can be expected to hit the opposing teams batters as well. The game should adhere to rules... If it's not in the rules, its not part of the game. IT'S AN EMBELLISHMENT, WHICH IS A FARCE. Play the game the way its meant to be played, and leave the field with some pride.

 

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I never said hitting a batter makes you not a "milquetoast pantywaist". What makes you a milquetoast pantywaist is whining about every little thing, whether real or imagined. About being upset about things that you have no control over. About GETTING HIT and acting like it should never happen.

To sum up, so there are no misconceptions, if my DD gets hit intentionally... well, it happens. It's part of the risk you take when you play ANY sport. Hard hits in football, ******, hockey, basketball...etc. So, to assume that it doesn't happen in softball is just plain silly. And no matter what anyone thinks about the right or wrongness of it, it will never go away. There will always be intentional hits and 98% of the time, you will never prove it. So I'm saying that, for me and mine, we just roll with it.