Pitching and Pitchers Discussion Rise vs the Drop

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Which pitch do you prefer your pitchers to throw?

 

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Drop, because there is no such thing as a rise

 

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Drop, does the rise really rise?

 

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I like the drop, but a nice elevated fastball can make a batter look silly sometimes.

 

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Yes a rise does rise. It break upwards. Very few can actually throw it though.

 

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We have a pitcher that throws a rise and another that throws a nice drop. They're both effective in their own way, but the rise ball pitcher just seems more exciting to watch.

 

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Good drop ball makes many ground ball outs. Rise ball is tough to throw but still a good pitch. Sorry jdcii, Even Bill Hillhouse doesn't make it go up. Today's cameras can show what actually happens in slow motion. . It doesn't drop as much and makes it tougher to hit. All Balls drop, just different degrees.

 

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We have a pitcher that throws a rise and another that throws a nice drop. They're both effective in their own way, but the rise ball pitcher just seems more exciting to watch.

A properly thrown drop curve can make a batter look absolutely tee-ball.

 

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I've never seen a pitcher throw exceptional rise and drop. Seems they naturally are better at one or the other. Both are good pitches and have made batters look silly JMHO

 

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Good drop ball makes many ground ball outs. Rise ball is tough to throw but still a good pitch. Sorry jdcii, Even Bill Hillhouse doesn't make it go up. Today's cameras can show what actually happens in slow motion. . It doesn't drop as much and makes it tougher to hit. All Balls drop, just different degrees.

nothing to be sorry about, I can handle being corrected.

 

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Bill does have the best riseball I have ever seen. Anyone that has caught one, would tell you it went up. I was in a clinic a few years back with Bill and Dave Paetkau. Dave did an excellent presentation with clips of the pitch. A good riseball pitcher made us look foolish last fall in SC. You have to learn how to handle that pitch. If you have both, ouch! I have talked to many elite softball players and most willl tell you the riseball is the tougher pitch to hit.

 

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Neither pitch seems real easy to throw. DD is working on drop now. Sometimes it works good other time not so much.:cap:

 

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The best DVD I have on throwing the rise ball is the one Bill Hillhouse has on the market, plus he does cover the drop ball. This is his web site.

http://www.houseofpitching.com/

 

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2 years ago I would have said "rise", but it sure seems to me that more and more good hitters are laying off the "rise" especially this summer at 43 feet with them having 3 more feet to decide. A good drop or drop-curve can generate a lot of weak ground balls. So now I would say the drop or drop-curve to create outs.

 

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2 years ago I would have said "rise", but it sure seems to me that more and more good hitters are laying off the "rise" especially this summer at 43 feet with them having 3 more feet to decide. A good drop or drop-curve can generate a lot of weak ground balls. So now I would say the drop or drop-curve to create outs.

An extra 3 feet does not give your brain that much more time to decide whether to lay off or not. If hitters are laying off of the rise ball a lot, then the pitchers rise ball is not good enough. DD has them both and throws them both....a lot. The rise ball is a scholarship pitch. If you don't have one, chances are your not going to pitch in college and be successful....JMHO

 

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An extra 3 feet does not give your brain that much more time to decide whether to lay off or not. If hitters are laying off of the rise ball a lot, then the pitchers rise ball is not good enough. DD has them both and throws them both....a lot. The rise ball is a scholarship pitch. If you don't have one, chances are your not going to pitch in college and be successful....JMHO

I'll agree that the extra 3 feet doesn't give a huge advantage for reaction time. However, a batter laying off a rise may not be entirely due to the quality of the pitch. The batter may have put a lot into vision training, which gives them an advantage for pitch recognition. Also, lots of pitchers/catchers get into a bad habit of rhythms and patterns. A smart batter knowing what pitch to expect, combined with great pitch recognition skills can easily trump an average rise ball pitcher.

I'll take a well thrown drop for younger kids until a decent rise is developed. A peel drop is very effective when thrown with great accuracy. But it must be thrown unpredictably.

Not true that a college pitcher MUST have a rise. Several of DD's team mates didn't really have an effective rise, BUT they made up for that with lots of other stuff. Comparable to saying a MLB pitcher MUST have a 90 mph fastball - we all know that's not so.

 

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Like most have said on here, it is hard to find someone who can throw the rise correctly. With that being said I say it is hard to beat a turn-over drop. JMHO

Mike

 

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A turn over drop that drops off the table!!! Whatever happened to the Classic "C" rise ball. That rise sits batters down!!! If you take the time to develop the rise, about a year, it can be wicked when throwing the C.

 

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Which pitch do you prefer your pitchers to throw?

The one that is more effective. Not trying to be funny but that is truly the pitch I would prefer the pitcher to throw....the more effective one. If they're both equally effective, throw both. Both pitches change planes.

Len

 

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Love the Drop Curve if Ump's giving it. Hard to handle dropping up front corner of plate. But also must have good catcher.