Hitting and Hitters Discussion roll your hands....huh?

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My advice to your dd.... is to accept the advice politely, then drive the ball and thank the coach. Do not confront the coach (even a volunteer) do not show off her superior knowledge, do not say 'my batting instructor told me....'. Simply hit the ball hard and thank the coach. The coach will think you are a great team player and move onto the next poor smuck.

 

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You hit the nail on the head. This is the advice I would give. Tim has always told my dd that you must protect your swing, go thru the drills your coach has you do, but you must hit on your own to protect your swing. Once they see you hitting the cr*p out of the ball they will not mess with the swing anymore.

That's how we handled it last year. "Bat flat at all times" was the mantra heard over and over. Looks kinda goofy when you get an inside pitch at the knees. ;&

 

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bat flat at all times ?? Dang thats a new one , Down here we still get "swing level" all the time . But wrist roll ? thats insane . I always set the tee at the knees and tell my hitter " here is a strike -- swing level and hit that pitch "

 

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A picture is worth a 1000 words. I've been around a while and this is one of the best lefthanded hitters I've ever seen. NO ROLL

 

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If a coach is telling kids to roll their wrist they are probably also straight armed at contact. Throwing the hands knob to ball kind of swing. Look more for the diamond at contact.

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This is where the arms should be straight at extension and even the extension is an active part of the swing and wrists do not roll until the hands have extended completely thru the ball.
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It's best to roll the bat and not the wrist.:lmao:;&:lmao:

 

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lol Edge .!

 

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WOW... Palm up Palm down is what I have always known and practiced. I then taught my daughter and now she goes to Tim Duncan to improve with someone other then dad. Bottom line........... Rolling you wrists is ALWAYS the worst thing you can do at contact.

I will go crazy when my daughter has someone like that trying to coach her.

 

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Take the bat to contact of the ball. Have her at Palm up Plam down, if she has the correct grip push back on the end of the bat. Now do the same thing but roll the wrists. Anyone can feel the difference. You could be brutal and have the coach use a Whip hit and roll the wrists. What do you think happens to the bat at contact if you have a weak grip As Howard has taught us measure, and feel it. Pay attention to the coach, but most coaches if you can show them why, they will understand.

 

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It's best to roll the bat and not the wrist.:lmao:;&:lmao:

hahaha..... damn funny!:lmao::cap:

 

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Of course we all know that palm up, palm down is correct, but that isn't the only issue here. I would be trying to engage this coaching or coaching staff in a discussion about hitting. Like was pointed out above, if they are shown the correct way in a respectful manner, maybe they will consider learning new things. If I get a chance I will elaborate more later tonight.

 

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Tell the "helper" that her cell phone is ringing - 1984 is calling...........

Charlie Lau back in action!!

 

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This worked for my DD as she went through and it's what I tell my TB players when their told something they know is not right... The responses are "thanks coach" "sure thing coach" "I'll work on that coach" then go back to doing it the correct way.

 

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One day I actually watched a kid trip over his own feet 3 times whilst walking from point A to point B, I may have been the only person around who even noticed that it happened. No one was paying attention to him at all because they were too busy trying to change something real important on the new kid who had a little more talent who came into their practice room. They were out to make sure that he had some success because they had showed him how to properly tape up his shoe laces or that his left foot needed to be at a 90 degree angle when he lined up instead of the 45 degree angle that probably just felt more comfortable to him. The one who actually needed their help didn't get it, they were too busy dealing with serious business.

Sometimes they just want to be able to say "See that? I taught her/him THAT!" Let them, I guess.

 

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We have stuck with the measurable and observable and how could you test to see if it works if you have made a change. By teaching them how to use a hammer they under stand how you feel the force of the hammer head when it is released using the wrists. It is difficult to drive a nail while rolling the wrists however you could hit a ball using this technique however how effective would it be? Especially as to height of pitch and location.

There is a saying to the ball and through the ball as the ball would probably be on the bat about 3 milliseconds. I think that statement came from Dr. Russel from Kettering University. So there is a short amount of time to be effective as to bat and ball collision. Once you begin to understand that the belly button direction (hips) is usually where the ball can be directed you wonder why anyone would teach rolling the wrists. This is why we teach hitting up the middle first and being able to control your swing and the flight of the ball. Next we introduce hitting the outside pitch and then the inside pitch last.

I would not want someone working with a kid who thinks rolling the wrist is practical and would have to speak up if it was my kid.


Just my opinion
Howard

 

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We have stuck with the measurable and observable and how could you test to see if it works if you have made a change. By teaching them how to use a hammer they under stand how you feel the force of the hammer head when it is released using the wrists. It is difficult to drive a nail while rolling the wrists however you could hit a ball using this technique however how effective would it be? Especially as to height of pitch and location.

There is a saying to the ball and through the ball as the ball would probably be on the bat about 3 milliseconds. I think that statement came from Dr. Russel from Kettering University. So there is a short amount of time to be effective as to bat and ball collision. Once you begin to understand that the belly button direction (hips) is usually where the ball can be directed you wonder why anyone would teach rolling the wrists. This is why we teach hitting up the middle first and being able to control your swing and the flight of the ball. Next we introduce hitting the outside pitch and then the inside pitch last.

I would not want someone working with a kid who thinks rolling the wrist is practical and would have to speak up if it was my kid.


Just my opinion
Howard

I would but I really don't wanna mess up anything for her during school ball. Shes trying make a good impression on the coaches (the real coaches). As for me speaking up this woman is actually a friend of the family and I'd hate to burn a bridge when I know she wont be coaching my dd during the season. Besides my dd knows the correct way to swing, being taught by Steve Gambone, as well as "Z" (Sarah) who works with her travel team. Sarah played for the racers, and Steve has been around the game for a long time. Needless to say my dd spoke up and told her that shes been taught differently for years and shell stick with what she knows. Imagine that.....my kid with my blood running through her veins has a bit of an attitude?????

 

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The request before us was how can a dd handle a coach that is instructing them erroneously.

Umber Jones has the right idea.

"thanks coach" "sure thing coach" "I'll work on that coach" then go back to doing it the correct way.

A coach that is that far wrong won't know a good swing from a bad one but will judge results. Smack the ball without rolling her wrists and move on. There is absolutely nothing to be gained by your dd offering instruction to a coach. Its a great way to end up as a JV.

 

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The request before us was how can a dd handle a coach that is instructing them erroneously.

Umber Jones has the right idea.

"thanks coach" "sure thing coach" "I'll work on that coach" then go back to doing it the correct way.

A coach that is that far wrong won't know a good swing from a bad one but will judge results. Smack the ball without rolling her wrists and move on. There is absolutely nothing to be gained by your dd offering instruction to a coach. Its a great way to end up as a JV.

I'm afraid I have to disagree with everyone. Pretending to agree with the coach and then doing what you want is deceitful. It is a ticket to oblivion if the coach figures it out. More important, it is disrespectful, at best, and a flat out lie, at worst. There is no argument here about the incorrectness of the hitting instruction, but that is a secondary issue.

I think the way to handle it is to be honest and simply tell the coach that you're having a hard time buying into this style of hitting and why. And that you are willing to try anything, but would like to be sold on this method of hitting. I know at this point it could go one of two ways, but if the coach has an open mind at all, then he/she will respond favorably. If the coach doesn't have an open mind and it's just his/her way or the highway, then you're stuck and have to make a decision. Stay and deal with it or leave the team.

 

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I'm afraid I have to disagree with everyone. Pretending to agree with the coach and then doing what you want is deceitful. It is a ticket to oblivion if the coach figures it out. More important, it is disrespectful, at best, and a flat out lie, at worst. There is no argument here about the incorrectness of the hitting instruction, but that is a secondary issue.

I think the way to handle it is to be honest and simply tell the coach that you're having a hard time buying into this style of hitting and why. And that you are willing to try anything, but would like to be sold on this method of hitting. I know at this point it could go one of two ways, but if the coach has an open mind at all, then he/she will respond favorably. If the coach doesn't have an open mind and it's just his/her way or the highway, then you're stuck and have to make a decision. Stay and deal with it or leave the team.

As I posted earlier, this "helper" is NOT one of her coaches shes just that a helper. Thanks for the input though, I do appreciate the views of everyone here.

 

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Sounds eerily familiar to a local Cincy area program....argh....top the ball or sit the bench....argh....