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Anyone have an idea on what percentage of girls playing travel ball will get a scholarship to play?
Anyone have an idea on what percentage of girls playing travel ball will get a scholarship to play?
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I personally commend any coach who takes enough interest in his kids to encourage them to keep their grades up. Just one word of caution...It's not all about the GPA. For example, you have a DD (like mine) who is a high school freshman, and has been placed in 4 honors classes and 2 Advanced placement classes. Her grades are understandably down a bit from her first 8 years of school, but I see first hand how hard she works to manage her time and do as well as she is. From my personal experience, most of the kids who play serious sports (not just softball) tend to be the ones who do better in school. Could well be because their parents are more involved in their lives..have to be to play travel sports. But the point is, there's more than just the GPA. Look at the classes the kid is taking, and the activities they participate in. Help them to keep their grades up, but don't penalize them if they slip.
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Very low....but the non scholarship program such as D3 have a HUGE emphasis on their grades and graduation rates. Talk to the D3 coaches and see...grades ARE important man!!
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I would hope that the girls showing their grades would be disclosed at tryouts. That way the parents could make the chioce.
I myself have 3 DD's. My oldest had a very hard time in school,
things didn't come easy & she...(we) worked at it. I pulled her out & homeschooled her in 4th grade when I saw she was not getting it & needed more time. After 2 years she went back in public school & did good...not great, but B's & C's mostly. My other 2 have had no trouble in school & I expect A's from them. I would hate to think that she would not have been able to participate in other things she wanted to do, because she didn't excel in school.
As I said, as long as it is known up front, I don't have a problem. Don't bring it up after the fee's are paid.
I myself have 3 DD's. My oldest had a very hard time in school,
things didn't come easy & she...(we) worked at it. I pulled her out & homeschooled her in 4th grade when I saw she was not getting it & needed more time. After 2 years she went back in public school & did good...not great, but B's & C's mostly. My other 2 have had no trouble in school & I expect A's from them. I would hate to think that she would not have been able to participate in other things she wanted to do, because she didn't excel in school.
As I said, as long as it is known up front, I don't have a problem. Don't bring it up after the fee's are paid.
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Player A: BA: 0.386 SLG: 0.454 HR: 8 GPA: 3.25
Player B: BA: 0.393 SLG: 0.468 HR: 9 GPA: 2.0
Which player do you want on your team if you're a college coach? Which player could get some academic dollars to attend school?
Player B: BA: 0.393 SLG: 0.468 HR: 9 GPA: 2.0
Which player do you want on your team if you're a college coach? Which player could get some academic dollars to attend school?
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Absolutely agree...but I think this would be true for any 'significant' team requirement ie) fees, coaches, estimated travel, etc, etc....
We advertised and I think we were the only ones, to come try out for us you need a 3.25...and we have a bunch of very talented and smart girls on our teams....!!!
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But just getting into any good school, no sports involved, has a HUGE emphasis on grades. Grades are important just to get accepted. Sports doesn't have to come into the equation. Parents should be working with all kids on getting good grades. Talk to any D3 admittance office...grades are important man!!
They don't care if you play sports or not.
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Just to be facetious; Did player A attending a poor performing school district and did player B attend a College preparatory school and took all AP classes?
My point is that GPA is irrelevant except at the very basic level, you have to take many things into account. So at a first blush A is who I would most likely recruit, but I would do my DD on both players.
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Mustard - you are completely right and I agree...and I agree with you and the others that a coach should not be replacing the parents, my spin on it is that grades have to be important to those girls who want to play softball at any college level and those teams, like ours, that promote themselves as "College Showcase" teams SHOULD have grades (and service) as part of being on the team. Part of the whole "package". And I also disagree to punishing a girl who made the team then had a bad quarter, you provide your GPA at the try out so we know you are serious about trying to play in college and you are good to go....But just getting into any good school, no sports involved, has a HUGE emphasis on grades. Grades are important just to get accepted. Sports doesn't have to come into the equation. Parents should be working with all kids on getting good grades. Talk to any D3 admittance office...grades are important man!!
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If you have a 2.0 taking AP classes, you should not be taking AP classes!
That is very true, but it does happen quite often.
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I want the player that can pitch the best, and hit the best. We have tutors for the academic part!
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Okay, I cannot find the online version of "Fastpitch Delivery" so I'll just post them. Mind you the list only contains the schools that reported and this is their average GPA:
DI (129 reported)
University of Mississippi - 2.997
James Madison University - 2.987
College of Charlston - 2.962
Fairfield University - 2.953
University at Buffalo - 2.941
Towson University - 2.939
University of Texas at Austin - 2.937
University of Southern Mississippi - 2.926
Eastern Kentucky University - 2.926
University of Memphis - 2.891
University of Wisconsin - 2.890
Rutgers University - 2.881
University of Oklahoma - 2.870
DII (only 74 reported)
Bloomfield College - 2.995
Southeastern Oklahoma State University - 2.980
Shepherd University - 2.820
DIII (only 92 reported)
Desales University - 2.998
Lawrence University - 2.920
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Just my 2 cents:
As travel softball parents who do whatever we can not to miss games, practices, and fastpitch opportunities that will help our daughters, I find it hard to believe that there are non-caring parents in fastpitch. LOL That said, if my daughter's coach asked for her report card, I would be proud to show it. It makes her look better in the eyes of the coach and shows that I do indeed expect DD to do her best on and off the field.
I am proud of my DD on and off the field. I welcome support in teaching MY morals and ethics. I believe that is why the saying goes "It takes a Village to raise a child." You just have to choose your village!
Wubbamom
As travel softball parents who do whatever we can not to miss games, practices, and fastpitch opportunities that will help our daughters, I find it hard to believe that there are non-caring parents in fastpitch. LOL That said, if my daughter's coach asked for her report card, I would be proud to show it. It makes her look better in the eyes of the coach and shows that I do indeed expect DD to do her best on and off the field.
I am proud of my DD on and off the field. I welcome support in teaching MY morals and ethics. I believe that is why the saying goes "It takes a Village to raise a child." You just have to choose your village!
Wubbamom
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We do not ask to see report cards, our kids are 17 and 18 years old and by that time they pretty much should know what the next few years will hold for them.
We do harp on good GPA/ACT-SAT scores and want to know what they are so when we talk to a coach about a certain girl we dont look foolish and not know pertinent information about her.
At the younger age levels, 10 thru 14 we never once had a coach ask about our dd,s grades, that was self policed by us her parents. And we played for what I believe was one if the better orgs in the state.
Even at 16,s on up the only request from anyone about her grades where colleges seeking information.
It is a Parental responsibility to make sure the players grades are up to snuff at the younger ages. not a coach.
It then falls to a coach at the older ages to market his kids to colleges using GPA/SAT-ACT scores.
Im not a fan of the . It takes a village to raise a child........... Its your child, her future and as a parent your responsibility........ period
Tim
We do harp on good GPA/ACT-SAT scores and want to know what they are so when we talk to a coach about a certain girl we dont look foolish and not know pertinent information about her.
At the younger age levels, 10 thru 14 we never once had a coach ask about our dd,s grades, that was self policed by us her parents. And we played for what I believe was one if the better orgs in the state.
Even at 16,s on up the only request from anyone about her grades where colleges seeking information.
It is a Parental responsibility to make sure the players grades are up to snuff at the younger ages. not a coach.
It then falls to a coach at the older ages to market his kids to colleges using GPA/SAT-ACT scores.
Im not a fan of the . It takes a village to raise a child........... Its your child, her future and as a parent your responsibility........ period
Tim
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Recruiting seminars I have attended had the view point that it is up to the player to market themselves most effectively. Coaches can and should help, but the player knows best what future situation they want to play in and can best help themselves.
As for your last comment. It is very difficult for a parent to raise a kid completely on thier own. What of the child whose parents do not take thier parenting responsibility? Everyone else should cast that child off?
I agree with you that 17 and 18 year olds should have a grasp on the grade concept. It is good that you discuss ACT/SAT with them. I do not necessarily think grade cards should be mandatory, but grades and school should be discussed. How deep that discussion goes should depend on the make up of that team. The advantage of travel ball is the ability to hand select kids from a wide area.
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Agreed and following CFP's remarks... good stuff!
I also agree that the coach isn't there to replace parenting.... take this angle... how about how often people slam TV, MTV, video games, and bad lyrics.... funny how this is an easy band wagon to get on but as soon as some says "hey, show me your grades" and prove that you have earned the right to be on this team because your life is going to be on a solid path and potentially better vs. if you slack off in your school work. C'mon people, take the context of grade discussions as just mere reinforcement of whatever level of home focus is there and it's not some type of subconscious power trip of coaches. That's how I see it... Nothing like a good thing be run across the coals. Is it really a bad thing? Ok, blast away...
Opinions opinions... love them...
One I could care less about sounding good, and two I believe all that I say. So you can dispose or use as you wish.
Never did I leave them out... a girl may work very hard on grades and never get above a 2.5 GPA... did I leave that player out? Nope. Does that sound any better :cap:
Oh and I amost forgot...being taught (isn't that what teaching/coaching is) how to be successful in every way is a good thing and any reinforcement is good (my opinion) and expecting excellence on all fronts a major theme? I guess that is PC too? You know how I coach and what I do. Have fun with this one too and I'm glad you are vocal in your thoughts. I have stamina...
BTW, I don't have a GPA portion on my tryout forms nor do I ask for report cards. So take that for what it's worth. I'm merely supporting my opinion on how coaches are helpers in home life support. If they aren't, they shouldn't be coaches. Unless they are Billy Bob Thorton...:lmao:
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there are only 4965 total softball scholarships available in d1 an dd2 combined The NCAA allows each division I softball program 12 scholarships and 7.2 in division II.,There are 262 division I and 253 division II colleges that offer softball scholarships, so be proud of your dd and let the coach if he wants evaluate your dd's report card but understand that she would be way better off if he teaches SOFTBALL and let her teachers and you worry about the grades .I believe that my dd is one of the best middle infielders in the state at 14u ....again thats what I believe..doesnt make it a fact its what a proud pappa thinks, but in reality there are plenty as good and better out there and i relize that when i step outside my bubble ,lol, so to think..no to know my dd has to out-perform 10's of thousands of girls across the U.S. to get one of those scholarships is without a doubt a dream and nothing more,BUT SHE WILL WORK HER BUTT OFF and try to make it a reality ,so the grades play a big part to just get in a great university and that is something i will not leave up the select ball coach to evaluate.
And yes it does show that mabey the coach does care but lets be honest,most coaches have their hands full with trying to coach the young ladies and jocky for position to get into showcases to let the ladies be seen (and isnt that what we all want...to have opportunities) and that whole village to raise a child only sound good untill the child needs a car,gas money ,tuition.....the village seems to go back inside on those things huh.
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It is up to the kid to market themselves, but Myself and Hitter23 feel it is also important for the coaches to Market the kids as well........ lets face it there are times a college coach can talk to a coach at a game that he or she could never talk to the player so it helps.
We also take time to contact coaches and ask what positions they are looking to tie down for certain years.So as not to waste the players time and effort, nor the college coach.
We also build a history with these coaches and it helps in the recruiting process for future players.
The more college coaches we speak to the more word gets around..... college coaches know and talk to one another and will sometimes call us from info given them by other coaches about certain players.
Parental responsibility is key .......... If you have a kid that struggles at home due to family issues, that is a shame and I would hope that the player dosent take those issues with them to the college level.
No child should be cast off, that was not what my statement said...... my belief is and always be, single parent or not your child is your responsibility,If they come from an environment where it is that bad at home and seek out other forms of help than yes the coach should do all in his or her power to help that young person achieve their goals. The difficulty is at that level parental involvement is critical and if the parent dosent give a hoot then the kids chances of getting to their goals are pretty slim......... not impossible but slim
Tim
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Love Billy Bob. That ugly dude got Angelina Jolie.
Here's my take on the whole discussion.
The difference between the opposing thoughts here comes down to politics.
Democrats are the Lenin & Lennon loving liberal socialists who want the government, coaches, teachers, neighbors to be all up in their business doing as much as possible for them so they don't have to. Little personal responsibility. Have the gov handle my health care, let only the bad guys have guns, slaughter innocent babies but keep death row inmates alive, spend my money better than me, tax a lot and spend even more, tell us what to think and what to do. Have coaches, teachers and social workers as an equal part of the family. Little importance to traditional families. Sport coaches should help raise our children because families can't handle it.
Republicans are the party of Jefferson, Lincoln, Reagan and John Wayne. Conservative true AMERICAN values. Liberty and Inalienable rights. Protect the unborn lives. Smaller government, less taxes, individual freedom, personal responsibility, family is the focus of life, families raise their own children.
Notice the republican paragraph is smaller too!
So this whole thread is a argument about politics disguised as being about a kids sport. :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
NOW I know Les won't but don't anybody else take this to seriously. Seriously.
Just have'n fun. :cap:
