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I have had this debate many times. And yet I never feel satisfied with the answers.

On a dropped 3rd strike. How is it scored for all involved? Pitcher, Catcher, Hitter?

And does it make a difference if it is 10 feet over the catchers head? Can a strike also be a wild pitch? Can a strike also be a passed ball on the catcher? Does it count as an AB for the hitter? Can the hitter get a RBI? Is the hitter now 0-1? 1-1?0-0? And it obviously must count towards OBP but is it a stolen base?

I have gotten in way too many debates. This should be a good one.:yahoo:

 

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A perfect Winter time thread :yahoo: .

Can't wait to see some of these answers.

Bored today are you, Spartansd... so we stired the pot

:lmao:

 

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I have had this debate many times. And yet I never feel satisfied with the answers.

On a dropped 3rd strike. How is it scored for all involved? Pitcher, Catcher, Hitter?

And does it make a difference if it is 10 feet over the catchers head? Can a strike also be a wild pitch? Can a strike also be a passed ball on the catcher? Does it count as an AB for the hitter? Can the hitter get a RBI? Is the hitter now 0-1? 1-1?0-0? And it obviously must count towards OBP but is it a stolen base?

I have gotten in way too many debates. This should be a good one.:yahoo:

I will take a shot at this one.

A strikeout is always credited for the pitcher.
It can be a WP or a PB
The batter is 0-1 and the AB does count. No RBI because of the WP or PB. No OBP. No stolen base.

 

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It all depends on whether you're the parent of the Pitcher, the Catcher, or the Batter....

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It all depends on whether you're the parent of the Pitcher, the Catcher, or the Batter....

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This is my whole point.

As a father of non-pitchers, I think she deserves something.

I used to argue that it should not count as an AB.

So is it an error? And on who? Or is it depending on the judgement of the score keeper? Say the catcher drops it and then the 1st basemen drops it? Then there are 2 errors? Also, does that run count towards the pitchers ERA if it is judged a WP?

 

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OK, I'll bite (why do I do this??)...

*The dropped third strike always results in a K for the pitcher.
*The play can be scored KWP or KPB depending on whether the ball touching the ground was a result of a wild pitch or passed ball (scorer's decision).
*In neither case is an error charged, passed balls and wild pitches aren't considered errors.
*The catcher tags the batter out, a 2U is recorded to complete the K.
*The catcher throws to first to complete the out, a 2-3 is recorded to complete the K.
*Whether the batter makes first or not, she is 0 for 1 with a K.
*No stolen base is recored, not considered a stolen base.
*No RBI is earned for a K with a dropped third strike.
*Oh, and forgot to mention in OP, a dropped third strike does not increase OBP. OBP is hits + BB + HBP ( on the top of the equation), so errors and dropped third strikes do not help.

Heh, I think I covered all your questions and feel pretty good that they are correct...which means someone will post in 5 seconds about a mistake I made

If that is the case, most likely the mistake is from confusing the baseball rules with the fast pitch rules.

 

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Jimjen is right ...

1) It is a strike-out for the pitcher
2) It is an at bat for the batter and recorded like an out (i.e., the batter is 0 for 1)
3) It can either be a wild pitch or a passed ball
4) There is no stolen base or RBI

 

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Really bored so will take a cut - you have asked multiple unrelated questions, so we have to provide several answers.

STRIKEOUT
A strikeout is always a strikeout on the batter. Their stats will include a K. If they reach base because of a dropped third strike it DOES NOT figure into the classic OBP. According to scoring sources, the only think that counts are hits, walks, and hit by pitch. A coach could use their own expanded calculation of OBP and count it, but the point is that it is not something that the batter can control, so it shouldn't count. (It falls into the same category as fielder's choice - a runner reaching first because they hit a ground ball and forced a runner at second should not be credited as reaching safely.)

WILD PITCH OR PASSED BALL
A strikeout can be recorded with either of these stats. The WP or PB stat indicates the status of the catch, the K indicates the status of the at bat. The final status is most likely either K (D3/2-3) or K (D3/reached first safely). D3 is NOT an error, but a separate scoring statistic, which is explained by the addition of PB or WP to assign some responsibility.

AT BATS
The at bat counts. The batter is credited with a strikeout, and is 0-1. No RBI would be awarded if a runner scored on the play due to the WP/PB.

 

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CoachTom is right as well ... it is not considered an error. Further, if a runner scores because of a wild pitch, it is an earned run ... if it is a passed ball, it is an unearned run.

If the catcher picked up the ball and threw it to first in time to get the batter, but the first baseman dropped it, then it would re recorded as an error on 1B and it would neither be a passed ball nor a wild pitch.

 

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ERA addition

Based on my notes, a passed ball is treated as an error for calculating ERA. A runner who scores after reaching base on a wild pitch is an earned run.

 

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I think I actually agree with everything.

Just one more clarification.

If the batter reaches 1st safe and ends up scoring, is she credited against the pitchers ERA since a PB or WP are not errors?

And obviously the batter gets at least credited with a run scored.

So there line could read 3-4 with 4 runs scored........give me something.

 

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Anyone who scores gets credit for a run scored, regardless of how they got there. If the runner who got to first base due to a passed ball eventually scores, this is an unearned run ... but if she got there due to wild pitch, it is an earned run. In addition, if there were 2 outs when the batter reached first due to a passed ball, all subsequent runs in the inning would also be unearned.

 

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CoachTom is right as well ... it is not considered an error. Further, if a runner scores because of a wild pitch, it is an earned run ... if it is a passed ball, it is an unearned run.

Just to clarify, any runners that would have scored anyway without the passed ball are counted as earned runs (e.g. next batter gets a hit). The scorer determines earned runs by reconstructing the inning as it would have been played without errors and passed balls (including errors on the pitcher).