Scoring Question

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Tried to find this on the ATEC scoring website and could not find the answer. Batter hits a ball for extra bases and misses second base. Dead ball appeal and pitcher asks umpire if runner misses 2nd. Runner missed second and is called out. Who gets the putout? Is it the second baseman because it was her base, the shortstop because she was closest when the runner missed 2nd or the pitcher because she asked. I know the batter is credited with a single, but who gets the putout?

Thanks for your help!

 

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I would say there is no defensive credit for the put out, but that is just a guess. Kind of like a runner being called out for leaving early.

 

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Someone has to get credit. Either the shortstop or 2nd baseman - I would say it is the scorer's choice.

Even on a leaving early call I give the closest player the out credit.

 

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Iscore apparently assigns the putout to the defensive base player for the missed bag or plate.

In MLB, however, the putout is assigned to the player who tags the base: Rule 10.09(a)(2) Comment: The official scorer shall credit a fielder with a putout if such fielder catches a thrown ball and tags a base to record an out on an appeal play.

 

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Using NCAA Rules I would give a Fielders Choice to whomever had ball in hand when bag was touched. (5d)(http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/Stats_Manuals/Baseball/baseball_softball_scorebook.pdf)

FIELDER’S CHOICE
SECTION 5. This term is used by official scorer's to account for the following situations (the batter shall be charged with an official time at bat but no hit in all such situations):
a. When a batter-runner advances one or more bases while a fielder who handles a fair hit attempts to put out a preceding runner;
b. When a runner advances (other than by a stolen base or error) while a fielder is attempting to put out another runner;
c. When a runner advances solely because of the defensive team’s indifference (undefended steal), or
d. When a batter apparently hits safely and a runner who is forced to advance by reason of the batter becoming a runner fails to touch the first base to which he is advancing and is called out on appeal.​

And according to NCAA not a base hit either if the runner in front of her is called out for missing a base:
BASE HIT NOT CREDITED

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c. When a batter hits safely and a preceding runner misses the first base to which she was advancing. This is an appealed force out, and the batter is safe on a fielder’s choice.​

FIELDER’S CHOICE
SECTION 7. Afielder’s choice is credited in the following situations:​

a. To a batter:

3. When a ball is put in play and any preceding runner, who is forced to advance, is called out on an appeal for missing the first base to which she was advancing.​

APPEAL PLAYS
c. In all other appeals, credit the fielder close to the misplay with the putout
c. Credit a putout to the nearest fielder in the following instances:
9. Arunner is out when a proper appeal is made on a missed base or home plate.

 

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IceBlack29:

The batter in the initial post would receive a base hit. That batter did not have a runner in front of her who missed a base. The batter hit first base, earning her the single, and then proceeded to miss second base.

Here is the relevant section from ATEC (which also has the language that you quoted from NCAA):

1. Credit a batter with an extra base hit when she reaches a base beyond first base solely because of her hit,
a - if tagged out after over sliding, the batter does not get credit for
that base, only the preceding base,
b - if tagged out after over running, the batter does get credit for that base, and
c - if a batter misses a base, she gets credit for only the bases she touched before missing the base.

I haven't checked, but I'm guessing that the NCAA scoring documents will have the same language, as at one point ATEC essentially was the NCAA statement of scoring and I don't think that has changed much if at all.

 

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Gotcha CGS. Just added the second part in case the subject comes up with the runner in front of the batter. Saw it happen already. Poor girl smashed a triple to the gap with a runner on 1b. Runner on 1b missed 2b. Appeal was made and out was called. Batter went from having a triple and rbi to nothing more than a FC because of a missed bag.

 

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Putout goes to whomever made the appeal, which would be the pitcher in this case.

Note: ASA rule 11.2.B.4.a.4 awards the putout to the fielder closest to the ball for the following situations:
- Runner is physically assisted by another offensive team member.
- Runner interferes with a fielder or thrown ball.
- Runner leaves base early.
- Look Back Rule.

 

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Putout goes to whomever made the appeal, which would be the pitcher in this case.

But what if...you're playing a high school game (or other sanctioning body) that allows appeals to be made by the coach? Do you give the coach the put out?

In MLB, however, the putout is assigned to the player who tags the base: Rule 10.09(a)(2) Comment: The official scorer shall credit a fielder with a putout if such fielder catches a thrown ball and tags a base to record an out on an appeal play.

This is easier for MLB because they do not allow dead ball appeals. In other words, any appeal there will always involve somebody holding the ball and physically touching a the base or the runner.

 

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There does have to be a putout for every play ... I would just give it to 1B, 2B, 3B or C (for home plate) and not worry any more about it ...

 

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So if the appeal play is handled incorrectly and no out is awarded, can I put an error in the books for the person who did it incorrectly?

 

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NCAA softball scoring rules say that on an appeal play, the fielder closest to the misplay is credited with the put out, which in this case would be the shortstop. If the appeal is for batting out of order, the put out goes to the catcher.