The simple reason Cali teams are better then Ohio

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Same here in Texas. HS coaches dont want you playing select during the season. If your a stud player you play for your HS team. No one else.

Along the same thoughts of some of the comments I have seen on here about commitment. I tell all my parents before they start lessons for their child with me the following:

There are many things I can teach your child but there is one thing I cannot teach them.

DESIRE.

That comes from the heart.
 
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You can't say California teams are better than Ohio teams based on the number of girls who play . It's all a matter of quality vs. quantity. Sure you have a larger crop to choose from, but who's to say any of those girls are any good. I think it all comes down to weather and the ability to play all year round. Sure we can do that here indoors, but many girls play basketball or other sports and take the winter off. And even if some of us are extremely dedicated do play indoor in the winter and train constantly, we are playing on carpet most of the time, much different than dirt, not to mention the lack of the elements (rain!wind) effecting the players. We don't have the resources available to train well enough to be as good as many western teams. So it's not based on numbers and percentages, it's based soley having the ability and resources (weather) to train constantly to be the best. period.


~just the way i look at it.
 
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You can't say California teams are better than Ohio teams based on the number of girls who play . It's all a matter of quality vs. quantity. Sure you have a larger crop to choose from, but who's to say any of those girls are any good. I think it all comes down to weather and the ability to play all year round. Sure we can do that here indoors, but many girls play basketball or other sports and take the winter off. And even if some of us are extremely dedicated do play indoor in the winter and train constantly, we are playing on carpet most of the time, much different than dirt, not to mention the lack of the elements (rain!wind) effecting the players. We don't have the resources available to train well enough to be as good as many western teams. So it's not based on numbers and percentages, it's based soley having the ability and resources (weather) to train constantly to be the best. period.


~just the way i look at it.
That is just not true. BECAUSE of their climate the sport is very popular, which means it attracts more of their best athletes, and they have a lot more athletes to pick from. That means more better athletes playing that sport out west. It isn`t rocket science here folks. Now add better athletes having better facilities, better weather and more tradition, and you get more better players.
 
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The simple reason cali teams are better is because you are psyched out.It starts with the coachs an works its way down to the players you think you can't bet them you won't. I don't think they are better athletes there may be more of them but not better.
 
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Hey Trakin Daball and t luvs catching and chainsaw this site needs more guys like you who are positive about the ballplayers in this state. The whole things boils down to the number and that is it. You cant convince these guys of that.You have almost 13,000 teams in Cali and under 3000 thousands here. The odds are a little in your favor to pull in championship. Has alot to do with the population. Just read the thread ? travel all around the country its something like that. Check out the guys opinions on there.
 
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The simple reason cali teams are better is because you are psyched out.It starts with the coachs an works its way down to the players you think you can't bet them you won't. I don't think they are better athletes there may be more of them but not better.
You dont think their softball best are better than our best?. We combine our best and we get Kent St, Bowling Green etc. They get UCLA, Arizona etc.I guess seeing is believing.
 
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Bill Hillhouse talked about it at the Hawks Clinic and ruffled some feathers by saying if you are going to a pitching coach who teaches you to finish upward verses finishing across your body you are an accident waiting to happen and it is not the proper bio mechanics . Howard, Is there any studies that have been done that we could read to back this statement?
 
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You dont think their softball best are better than our best?. We combine our best and we get Kent St, Bowling Green etc. They get UCLA, Arizona etc.I guess seeing is believing.

punchout is correct. It has nothing to do with being positive or negative. It's all about results. Similarly, Canada has better hockey players than Ohio. Or perhaps I and the NHL are just failing to give Ohio hockey it's proper respect.
 
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I agree, Canada has the people, interest, facilities, and god-awful weather conducive to a good hockey product. Same with California and fastpitch, just replace god-awful with *really swell*
 
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Oh yea and Cali has better football
Oh yea they have better baseball
Oh yea they have better basketball
Oh yea they have better s o c c e r
They are just better at everything
I bet they are not as good at putting down
their players as some as these guys
This is another funny thread reading these know it alls comments
 
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I still say if you took daddy's an egos out of the picture an build teams in the 14,16,an 18 age groups you could dominat the cali teams.There is more of them but they are not better
 
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i was going to stay out of this one but decided to chime in since it keeps popping up.are cali teams better yes.why yes because they have more athletes to chose from.if you took top 25 players from cali and top 25 from ohio would it be close yes probably could not tell them apart except sun tan.if you took the 500th best player in each state would you see a difference yes the middle and bottom players would be the difference where the number of athletes would really show up.but the real question is ohio moving in right direction i think so.the very same people that are on here complaining about watered down softball are the same people talking how just sheer numbers alone make them better.if this is your stance then shut up and realize we are in the process the more girls allowed this oppurtunity of travel ball the better chance we have of keeping these girls hooked into the later years.i see more and more players getting in younger ages that may not of made it before look at 10u how many teams still need players there will be girls show up on 10u teams this year that are watered down not real strong and will fall in love with it work hard and go to college to play ball.having some watered down teams is investing in the future of ohio softball if you want to get where cali is you will have growing pains.instead of griping bring in players teach them the game years from now maybe cali fastpitch connection will be talking about how ohio got so big!!!!!!!and you will always have good teams better players will gravitate toward winning teams
 
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At the outset of his tenure, Howard Schnellenberger announced to his staff and players his intention to win a national championship within five years.[29] His five-year plan had two main priorities: installing a pro-style passing offense and upgrading the talent level on the roster through a new recruiting strategy aimed at retaining the best local talent.[30] To help with the offense, Schnellenberger hired former Baltimore Colts quarterback Earl Morrall as a volunteer quarterbacks coach.[30] On the recruiting front, he spoke of mining the "State of Miami," which entailed fencing off the fertile South Florida recruiting base from other programs and cherry-picking the rest of the nation for a few choice recruits.[31] Schnellenberger also sought to exploit the freedom provided by Miami's independent schedule to gain "intersectional exposure" and make the program "national."[30]

This is what ohio colleges need to do to win national title in softball us this philosophy to build winning program
 
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Oh yea and Cali has better football
Oh yea they have better baseball
Oh yea they have better basketball
Oh yea they have better s o c c e r
They are just better at everything
I bet they are not as good at putting down
their players as some as these guys
This is another funny thread reading these know it alls comments

I dont see anyone "putting down" Ohio players in this thread. California has more players and year round weather in which to play. We don't. Its a fact of the census, and of the location/weather. Jasbo77 said it well~ the top team or two in each state will prolly be pretty close. After that they have the talent by the sheer numbers and the availability of year round playing time. Not really that complicated and definately nothing to hang your head about.
 
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I always tell my players "Focus on what you can control". You can not control the number of girls who want to play softball. You definitely can not control the weather. However you can control what you teach your players. I will catch flack for this I`m sure but if you are not teaching your players Kobata and using RVP (meaning a linear movement, long zone swing) you are doing your players a disservice. At the 14u Nationals in Georgia all the successful teams did both. You as a coach and even the parents should educate yourself on what are the best philosophies that are proven to be successful. Then you need to seek out the people that teach those philosophies so you can pass them along to your players. That is what you can control. Increasing the skill level of every player posible will make Ohio more competitive against anyone. I remember reading a thread where someone said they can teach your daughter skills but you can not teach desire. I believe teaching a girl to be successful will make them desire to learn more and become better players. I do see progress but unfortunately around here in NWO there is a strong mindset that is still on the old school of thought.
 
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In the last few months we have worked with a lot of coaches (they can identify themselves if they choose too) and the same theme applies. The basics of throwing were not understood, balance was poor to non existent, basic hitting mechanics were poor including soft toss methods and how to catch a ball. In some cases we even worked on sliding techniques!

You are giving reasons why the California team have an advantage so to speak over the Ohio teams. If you are a coach in Ohio it is your own fault! Learn basic throwing, fielding and hitting techniques...I was in California for 6 weeks and their practices are even more organized than what I see around Ohio for the most part.

While at Beaver Creek back in June, the 23 and under teams were playing and I counted 22 of our former students all playing at the same tournament. Hitter23 can tell you it brought a tear to my eyes watching these girls playing at the next level. Some of theses girls have been my students since they were 12 years old. We discussed the other girls throwing techniques and hitting techniques as you could visually see the difference in our kids verses the others. Then we started talking about the schools they played for. There is a lot of variation in techniques being taught at the college levels and I will give only two examples. Michigan bought RVP in 2004 and then won WCWS in 2005 I think, Ohio State bought it in 2005 and made it to the play offs for the first time in 2009! Same information different coaching techniques???????

Wright State changed their offensive program in 2007 and made it to the play offs in 2008 and then bought RVP I think. He then took a job in the SEC for Arkansas. Look at the Big Ten softball programs? Are there any male coaches? Then start looking in the PAC10, SEC etc. Now look at their staffs and who they surround them self with? Hutch and Enquist are as good as it gets! It is not a male verses female issue, it is talent and technique and staff in my opinion and recruiting plays a big role and then how good a manager you are as coach to put it all together and win.

Bottom line the kids in California in my opinion have access to better coaches and better techniques are being taught.

When Howard Kobata was here I was in the back of the room and noticed both girls he was working with had flip flops on and I told a coach if they did not have gym shoes to at least take off the flip flops. It was difficult to watch as the kids he was working with had poor throwing techniques and he was trying to give them advanced fielding mechanics and they had no balance! At dinner that evening and in a follow up email Howard K and I discussed that and he said it is very difficult to teach advanced skills when they do not even have basic throwing skills! In a follow up email Howard K said he tried something different at his next three clinics, he taught them what it felt like to be balanced and how to do it and the clinics went much better.

It took less than 10 minutes at the Hawks Clinic to teach 65 coaches how to get balanced and why they are stronger with the head down verses up and that has no bearing on the weather, population etc....that is technique, see it, feel it and fix it!

At your next practice...without saying a word watch your kids throw. Look to see how many players release the back leg and bend forward as they throw? How many break the ball out of their glove, ball hand down and elbow up? How many take the ball out of the glove and go straight back and go behind their head and the elbow is down? How many finish their throw across their body? How many throw with the elbow and hand going straight down? Are any of the players using their glove arm to help bring the ball side shoulder around? How many are throwing the ball into the ground? How many are throwing it over the heads or across their body? If they are 10 or 11 teach them....if the are older ask why they have never been taught to throw properly? :D What does California have to do with how or what you teach in Ohio?

Just my opinion

Howard
 
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Oh yea and Cali has better football
Oh yea they have better baseball
Oh yea they have better basketball
Oh yea they have better s o c c e r
They are just better at everything
I bet they are not as good at putting down
their players as some as these guys
This is another funny thread reading these know it alls comments
Nice, mature, insightful, informative rebuttal to our proven facts.
 
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Great post Howard. So much to learn, so many reps required, so little time.

We Shall Keep Pushing On!
 
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I always tell my players "Focus on what you can control". You can not control the number of girls who want to play softball. You definitely can not control the weather. However you can control what you teach your players. I will catch flack for this I`m sure but if you are not teaching your players Kobata and using RVP (meaning a linear movement, long zone swing) you are doing your players a disservice. At the 14u Nationals in Georgia all the successful teams did both. You as a coach and even the parents should educate yourself on what are the best philosophies that are proven to be successful. Then you need to seek out the people that teach those philosophies so you can pass them along to your players. That is what you can control. Increasing the skill level of every player posible will make Ohio more competitive against anyone. I remember reading a thread where someone said they can teach your daughter skills but you can not teach desire. I believe teaching a girl to be successful will make them desire to learn more and become better players. I do see progress but unfortunately around here in NWO there is a strong mindset that is still on the old school of thought.

I remember a bumper sticker from years ago during Vietnam era days;

It is difficult to soar with the eagles when you are working with turkeys! :D

Some claim they are teaching it correctly however when you see weight over the front leg, they are wrong and they probably do not throw well either. How could they, as their weight shift techniques are probably at fault. Get a clip of Crystl from the Gold Medal Game 2004 and if it does not look similar are you soaring with the eagles?

By the way she is from California if that means anything :lmao:

Boulders dad is from Kentucky and he even knows that because Crystl taught him!

Howard
 
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Boulders dad is from Kentucky and he even knows that because Crystl taught him!

Howard

Speakin of Turkeys............. Figured I would go ahead and say it before one of the Lemmings jumped all over it
 
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