Travel vs. H.S.

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I seem to favor summer travel ball because of the more aggressive play and the lack of politics which sometimes infest H.S. Fastpitch. I also feel that the travel circuit offers top notch pitching sometimes not seen because during H.S. season, some coaches still feel the need to call the pitches where during Travel season, Most coaches know that the elite catchers can call their own game even better than most coaches. Also, Travel ball seems to showcase players at their best positions which tend to form stronger teams unlike H.S. where Upper classmen get to play key positions just because they are upper classmen. In travel ball, the Best play....Period. Dad's phone calls, or mom's letters, get ignored. Thank goodness for Summer. ?;D
 
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So whats your point?
Everyone on this forum knows that they are the same (sport) but different (expectations, talent,rules and regulations,etc). But they both serve a purpose.
Again, whats your point?
 
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It is simple and it was told to me years ago by a softball wizard: "At the end of the high school season no one is happy, players, parents, fans and coaches" Once you understanded that life becomes easier and softball more enjoyable. :) :) :) :)
 
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Well said Wave16! The complaining and politicking of some parents has me ready to pull my hair out and at my age I can't afford to lose a single strand. I think one of the main factors for why travel ball goes smoother is you have a large number of girls trying out for a few open spots on a travel team each season, and the ones who are chosen have an edge because they have a strong competitive spirit, work ethic (with dad pushing them) , and have put a lot of time and effort into developing their more advanced skills. Hence they are all cut from the same cloth so you have much more unity in travel than in school ball.
 
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Along with all the other great comments and comparisons of HS vs Travel, I have found and what my own 16 year old says, is that with HS ball, the committment is not there for most players. ?They play the game for various reasons other than the love of the game and being the best they can be. ?

Without starting a war, I know for a fact that many coaches at the HS level do not know much about softball and are there only for the extra money that it pays to coach.

My daughter also says from her point of view Travel is much more fun and enjoyable than HS since the girls become much closer and get along far better with each other than in HS. ?I suppose most of the reasons for her attitude about HS has already been mentioned in other posts. ? Just my 2 cents. ?
 
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Walker-

What a joke. Your comments about HS coaches is nothing but flamable garbage. As a HS coach and head of a summer travel organization, I can tell you that you are grossly mistaken. There are good and not so good coaches at both levels. If you were involved as actively as I am in both levels of ball, you would know this.

Both levels are great and true softball fans need to quit trashing one or the other and simply support both levels of softball. They both have their problems and strong points. Those who think otherwise are simply out of touch. Nothing positive comes out of your kind of posts.
 
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Just adding to my previous post, and I coach HS as well as travel. I have to agree with some of the comments made in previous posts.
But the biggest thing to remember in most high schools, sports are an extracurricular activity that is to be looked upon as a continuance of the student-athletes education, nothing more and nothing less. As a high school coach, my options as to how I run the team can be influenced by many things (Principal, Athletic Director, Superintendant, School Board, Teachers) and thats before the parents even start on me. HS coaching is not glamorous and the pay stinks, and too those of you that think those coaches are doing it for the cash is absolutely absurd!!
How many times do most travel teams practice a week?
Once a week if your lucky, so burnout doesn't become a factor. I have HS girls that play travel ball, they like it because they don't practice much and just go play games. Wow, wish I had the luxury of doing that. You do get girls that are there just for the social aspect of it, guess what HS coaches don't have the luxury of trying out 75 girls and keeping the 12-15 best that show up. We play with what we got!!! I know that there are quite a few HS coaches that coach travel ball as well, myself included. But one thing is for certain, all us coaches understand the differences between HS and Travel and enjoy both. If you are a Travel Coach, go coach a HS team, and then you'll understand that they are the same, but different, and I'm glad for that.
Shayne Yeater
Varsity Coach Northmor HS
13U Buckeye Heat
 
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thanks do54. you hit the nail right on the head. travel ball is not some shangri-la of sports where everyone is happy with their playing time and position and all the coaches are softball guru's just waiting to make every player a division 1 college prospect. travel ball and hs are very similar execept that travel coaches get to choose players from a much larger pool and players that don't like what the coach does can simply go to another team. it is always the same, players having good years are happy, players having bad years blame the coach, this is true in travel and hs. parents don't like the way hs coaches play their dd and that they have no say like they do in travel. in travel you pay your money and that gives you a say and if not you move on.
 
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rescinded my original post as this looks like a battle waiting to happen.........
 
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Some great comments on the choices, options, and trappings of each.

Okay, maybe it is different from the female perspective, but from a dad's perspective, and with a 12 u looking ahead .....

Travel ball is for reaching the highest level you can, personal pride and accomplishment, maturity, skill and poise development under pressure, gaining a little more worldly experience and exposure, growing and learning a little more about the rest of the world outside your community including demystifying & playing WITH your own rivals, getting outside your cocoon and dealing with the competitive and real world. Later on, it will probably also be a much better tool for college exposure and recruiting.

High School ball is about a lot of the same concepts but maybe not quite to the same degree and intensity level, except against rivals and during state tourney time. It is a lot more about community pride though, and playing with long time friends (some of which play travel together). I hope my dd (and her friends) can take what they are learning in travel/tournament ball and it helps them to take the high school team to GREAT heights down the road. Celebrating community success thru school accomplishment would be a lasting life long memory for the girls, and would be a great reward for all the hard work, applicable long after the cleats have been hung up.

Tourney ball may teach a lot about development, focus, and toughness, and is probably better for extending careers beyond high school. But high school cameraderie and sports memories can last forever and has a place as well.
 
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As one who has also done both - and decided to stay with travel -

On the parent side - you can have an idiot with both groups (one group just happens to have a more knowledgable idiot)

On the girl side - the reasons for being there are generally more serious in travel, though you still have girls there for mom and dad at the younger issues

On the coach's side - there are good and bad coaches on both sides. The BIGGEST issue is how they are handled. In travel, girls vote with their feet - and a bad coach finds it very difficult to keep/find girls and generally get weeded out or end up coaching fodder teams. In HS ball, it is much more difficult to replace a coach, especially if that coach is a teacher. I know of 2 basket ball coaches who are coaching the softball teams (2 high schools), know nothing about the game, and have maybe won 1 game between the two of them. In these cases, the girls lose, and there is nothing that can be done. The schoolboard is not going to risk a battle, unless another teacher wants the job.
 
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I'll take the travel any day as the ones who truly earn the spot usually get to play, unless daddy ball takes over and have been there done that as well and my DD learned more from that piece in one season, than one should have to endear at a young age, she didn't quit, but the coach did the next year when he didn't get his way, funny how life works. too much B.S./politics in school ball with the coaches trying to please everyone involved.
 
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I think that generally speaking Travel Ball has much more intensity and lets face it, the players and parents have made a big investment in both time and money for travel ball so it should be that way.

However my own experience is that the HS experience can be unbelievably rewarding for the player if they have the right coach and the program has an expectation of competing and winning state championships. There does seem to be way too many 3 month a year HS school coaches who are not capable of inspiring a seasoned travel ball player who has played in 200 plus games by the time they become a freshman. I have see cases where a freshman has played in more games then a coach has coached. And if the player was coached well they may in fact be more game knowledgable then the coach. This makes for very unrewarding experience to say the least.

Then of course there is the coach who has been in a job forever who is set in his ways and will never see fit to start a freshman over player who has been on the HS team for 3 years, regardless of skill level. I think that this is the pasrt of HS ball that really frustrates parents, and especially parents who have travel ball players that play at a high level.

There, thats my two cents.
 
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OK, you guys are too serious....so....

You get politics anytime there are kids and parents involved, and that includes high school and travel ball. ?

High School ball has been a great experience in our first year. ?DD gets to play some good ball with her friends, we have a good program, a good coach, and good parents. ?Sorry for all of you who don't. ?Maybe your complaints are a symptom of a larger problem? ?Do you need to start working on your program at a younger age? ?We have had local teams playing in all sorts of leagues and the parents involved since they were little kids. ?Maybe you need to get your parents involved earlier, too. ?Most of our girls play travel ball on different teams in the summer. ?Makes for a fun high school season.

Travel ball....we will be starting our fifth year this summer. ?Great stuff if you are on the right team. ?DD plays different positions, we get more time to work intensly on what she needs to work on, she gets to face consistently good pitching, and she has a new set of friends....and so do the parents. ?

As with about everything...you get what you are willing to accept.
 
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I am sorry that my comments and my daughters thoughts must have been so taken to heart by some. ?I only speak what I know, and I did not mean to say all coaches were that way, but some must have assumed it. ?At any rate, the posts of David Anderson, Rich and Toby69 say it much better than I do. ?So I will leave it at that, except to say that my daughter is one that has played in many more games at 16 than the coach has ever coached. ?Anyway, I also like what pickledad had to say and it was a great comment. ?

Anyway, I am sorry I hit on some nerves but I think just by the above comments shows there is some merit in what I was trying state, and could not do so very well. However, that has always been a fault of mine and that is why I do not post anywhere very often. ?

Have a great evening and I am sorry if some of you took it the wrong way. ?

Sincerely,
 
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Wow, I didn't mean to start a Brushfire. :-/ Although I knew lots would comment, I did not intend to Have this post turn into a pissing match. There are lots of reasons for it, but everyone knows that at the travel level the game speeds up, the coaching is much more aggressive, the pitch calling by the catchers is more diverse and has a "go after her" mentality not seen as much in H.S. I am not knocking H.S. ball in any way. My DD plays for a H.S team. We just know that things will get put into a Higher Gear and the politics sometimes associated with H.S. ball will be over in a few more weeks when travel ball starts.
 
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Interesting topic even though it (like many) can quickly become controversial. I just appreciate the knowledge & perspectives of so many, with so much experience.

My dd is not there yet but I have already begun to think about travel vs. hs ball because she is "potentially" good enough to play after hs. But, she could also come home one day and say softball has been real, it's been fun, but it hasn't been real fun, boys rock (please no / fingers crossed). So, my goal is to assist her in finding the highest level she can achieve now (as long as it remains fun) in order to hone her skills, progress her competitive maturity, and quite frankly observe whether she "has it" & to waht level I should push it. ?That said, I would not take away the experience of being in the "foxhole" with her lifelong friends that she has grown up with playing ball together during the socially important hs years.

As it stands now though, we have a very satisfying travel situation, and looking ahead we also have an outstanding hs coach with lots of girls in our school system playing travel - so the prognosis down the road looks positive. I had an AWFUL baseball coach in hs (the Sociology teacher) who knew NOTHING about the game, similar to some of the frustrations talked about here, so bad I didn't play my senior year (BIG mistake for me looking back - another story, better with a beer). If that were the case for my dd, then I would still encourage her to play for the school with pride, but, do what she wants as long as travel remained part of the equation after the hs season. Based on my own personal experience as a die hard player with an intense love for playing hard, I really feel for those in situations where the sport is just not taken seriously, and you feel "stuck." Luckily, and thankfully, you still have travel as an outlet - make what you can of the other situation and help dd enjoy some of the best carefree & youthful years that she will have with you, and her friends. ?
 
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walker99, nothing in your previous post warrents apologizing for! You simply gave your opinion from past experiences and shared them with us Yabbers. Like any thing in life, you have good and you have bad experiences. Hope to see more posts from you, and enjoy the 2006 FASTPITCH season!!! :)
 
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HS ball does have more to do with politics than most travel teams. ?But, some travel teams can have to much politics. ?It is nice to see that our school isn't the only one where the politics and coaching issues do arise. ?Just remember it is almost over and we can all welcome the summer seasons.
 
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My daughter used HS season as "spring training" for the real softball season; summer travel ball. Had some girls on her 18-U team that didn't play HS ball and were way behind the others who did play HS ball.
 

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