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O.k. enough of the polls and poking around. Who is everyone trying out for? All areas. Do you try-out for teams just to see if you get accepted but already know that you are going to play for your old team? Does this help in some way? Some of the girls on our team are going together as a group to try-out for other teams, but they say they are going to remain on their original team. Does this happen often? And why?
 
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Yes, it does happen often. It is a great way to get a good workout, although I don't think that is the primary reason.
 
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My personal take is that try-outs are just that, and not the free workout drill that some people use it for.

Coaches spend many hours setting up a try-out and doing comprehensive evaluations on every girl that comes. If DD is there to get some exercise, then the effort put into her evaluation is wasted on both sides.

I don't have a problem with anyone coming to a try-out if they want to evaluate the organization - even if it is for a future year, and not next year. But it is not the free lunch buffet.

I don't think coaches are blameless in this aspect either. If you don't have open spots, don't hold tryouts. and if you do have open spots - or even bubble spots that you want to evaluate to see if there is a better person out there, then let people know.

I rarely believe the mantra that "all positions are available." After watching a player this year for 50+ games, you have a good idea of their ability. If they are a "6" player, I doubt that you are going to replace them with a girl who was an "7" in practice - for two hours. But if you see a 9 or a 10, then you have to consider it.
 
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I have much more respect for the coaches that announce exactly what the opening are rather than "all positions are open". The only instance I would make an exception is new teams that are starting up. "All positions are open" for an established team would make me feel uncomfortable. It would make me feel that if someone "better" came along I would be the odd girl out.

If an established team had the above announcement... I would have to wonder what happened to the girls that are being displaced.
 
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SB1Lover... We hold open tryouts every year and we really mean OPEN. ?The girls that played last year do get a slight advantage in that the coaches know what they are capable of, so if they have a bad tryout they get a bit of a break. ?On the other hand, the coaches know what they are capable of and if someone else comes along that is just stellar, they are in jeopardy. ?If you do not make a girl earn her spot every year, you will eventually end up with a under achieving team/organization. ?This is competitive ball and the girls/parents need to understand that it is nothing personal, it is about being competitive.

I will say we do not go into tryouts hoping to replace players, but it happens. ?On a personal note, it really suc ks to have a player/family not make next years team after you just spent the summer with them. ?The coaches have to choose the players that best fit their plan.
 
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How often do you actually replace players this way? I know a lot of teams say this, and I think it's healthy for all girls to feel they have to earn their spot, but how often do they really get beat out?

I've known of some teams that use the "open tryout" concept in order to not invite girls back who may have been a problem: attitude, family, etc.
 
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That is an aspect of the open tryout, but we have not had a situation where we would have used it in that way. We had two girls this past year not make our 16u that played for the 14u the year before. They were both GREAT kids with good families, but the coach felt they didn't fit her scheme. So it happens, but I really cannot quantify how often.
 
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We are going into our second year. The first year went great. Every girl earned their positions. With us being new this year we have seen more talented girls along the way. When we say all positions available, That is exactly what we mean. If one those more talented girls would happen to attend a tryout and want to paly with us, then they will get the spot that they earn. Reguardless who played there the privious year. For next year we will have 6 girls returning on the 12U and 6 girls returning on the 14U. So that means there are plenty of spots to fill.

The girls that played last year do get a slight advantage in that the coaches know what they are capable of, so if they have a bad tryout they get a bit of a break.

But i will not hesitate to give the position tp the girls that earns it.
 
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It is only fair for the girls to keep earning their spot. One tough thing is, if the girl is returning and really hoping no one will beat her out, she won't t find out until after tryouts, and if your tryouts are one of the later ones, it may be too late to easily find another place.

I guess the answer is that everyone, no matter how good, no matter how many years they've been with a team, no matter how strongly they want to come back to their team, should go to multiple tryouts each year. But I don't think that happens, and since most girls are accepted to return, it's not something everyone is gung ho to do.

I realize a team can also be caught in a lurch if they find out late that a girl isn't returning, but at least they've seen other players nad it is probably just a matter of making some phone calls.

Not criticizing, just thinking out loud.
 
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You are absolutely right, it really is a catch-22 in the purest sense. Maybe that is the reason very few clubs actually do open tryouts. For us it just makes sense to do it that way.
 
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C'mon now! Everyone knows how this works! Get to be pals with the coaches, donate lots of equipment to the team, volunteer to be an assistant coach... There's LOTS of ways to guarantee that playing spot!
J/K ;D

IMO, the mission of "travel ball" should be to attract talented girls who are motivated to improve their game skills - eventually to the college level. Yes - I'm basically saying that the travel scene is primarily a recruiting ground for colleges. There are programs available for casual players that want a less competitive atmosphere - it's called Recreational Softball or Roster Ball. But when coaches start teams for the sole purpose of control and providing their DD and her friends a place to play, and disillusioned parents start demanding unearned playing time for their DD, you wind up with a bunch of teams that probably should have stayed at the rec ball level to please everybody.

In travel ball, it's healthy for the sport to have every player and every team re-evaluated each and every year. Team and player loyalty lasts for one summer at a time - no more, no less. Sure, coaches hate to lose their quality players, but that's a great incentive for coaches to improve on the team talent base. Look at the big picture. In order for an organization to rise above mediocrity and be something better than a rec team, it MUST look to improve on it's talent base from year to year. There are a LOT of "nice" teams with "nice" coaches who have a guilt complex about cutting a girl who's been with the team a couple years - even if she's a slacker who's not interested in improving her skills to help her team. They just automatically guarantee a spot next year. Unfortunately, these are sometimes a coach or assistant coaches DD (and you can't expect the coach to cut their own DD!). The problem with that concept is that the team will forever be held back, because the best players want to be on the best teams - teams that DO cut and recruit the best players. Don't kid yourself - we all know who those teams are. The good players will migrate to those better teams, leaving the less skilled team behind. Survival of the fittest.

Some girls are also scared of the unknown - not playing on a team with her friends is a biggie. Please - that's a rec ball mentality, and if that's a priority, then stick with rec ball. Do these girls think they will be on the same college team with their current friends?

The question coaches have to ask themselves is: Am I truly recruiting the best players I can get for my team? Players need to ask themselves: Am I good enough to make it on a more competitive team? Utopia maybe, because the politics and perceived favoritism will never go away. There are parents and players out there who rise above that garbage and let DD's hard work and talent speak for itself. Those are the ones on the teams playing late on Sundays.
 
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I hereby nominate Sammy's post as "reply of the year" good stuff and right on ! MD
 
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As he said, that's a utopian view. Until all of the teams except the ones who now play late on Sunday (at the top tournaments) go away, there will be a wide variety reasons for playing on a team and reasons for taking/keeping players (beyond just favoritism).

I would guess that the majority of girls playing travel ball now will never play in college. Maybe they should all be playing rec ball, but I don't see that kind of migration happening any time soon.
 
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I guess I am of the opinion that the girls on my team have been "trying out" all summer. I spent the summer in an ongoing evaluation. I observe the work ethics, the attitude, improvement made throughout the season and their overall development. By the end of the summer, I have completed my evaluation and will then tell each family who will be asked back and who will not. This will give the girls not coming back the opportunity to check out other tryouts that they would have missed if I required them to try out again. This is just my opinion. It has worked well for me and the girls.
 
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everyone knows that open tryouts are not really open. It is typically advertised that way for the newbies who think that it is true and that they have a fair chance. I think there is no problem with it being this way, afterall the players that are there obviously earned the right to have the upper hand.
Of course every team is looking to find a diamond in the ruff and this is what tryouts are really for. Or to possibly sway a players family away from thier current team with the promise of playing time...blah, blah, blah. Good players find good teams because they want to compete, win and learn. thats the same reason many good players leave thier current teams.

ask your this, would you want to join a team that changes 7 or 8 players every season? my bet is that team would be mediocre at best. too much change is not good sometimes. I would rather join a team that has 8 or 9 good solid players where i have the oppertunity to compete for a position.
 
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When we state that all positions are open, I believe we are being honest. Our coaches have evaluated, coached and spent numerious hours with our players over the course of the year or in some cases several years. They have a good idea who will make the upcoming years team and who won't.

However, that doesn't mean that last years SS won't be this years CF, 3B, 1B etc. I believe that holding tryouts and making players earn a roster spot is the only way to achieve our set goals. It is not fun when you part ways with players, its sad, it hurts and its usally a ugly situation.

We have learned over the years to stay positive, remain friendly and social with the past player and their family if at all possible, its usally a parent(s) that go out of the way to sour the relationship, or attempt to wreck havoc about the situation.

I will no doubt shed a tear or two after tryouts are completed and the roster is set, however I will not forget my former players and will remain available to them at anytime.

What I find so funny is that when we cut a player we are terrible, no good rats, that don't know talent, play favorites etc.... However when a player chooses to leave to a new team - its just because its whats best for them, we didn't feel we were getting what we needed etc.... How do you win!

IMHO - We must strive to better the team and select the best available talent! We won't make everyone happy except the upcoming years players.

This is travel ball and sadly not everyone gets to play.... at least not on the team they may like to.

Good Luck... Coaches its the time of year we hate and love at the same time.
 
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I'm not sure which teams you are from but frankly, when I say all positions are open Thats exactaly what I mean. I want the best player to play the position period.
IMHO If you are having tryout and "advertising" all positions are avavilabe but you arleady have chosen who's gonna play where, then one, your gonna cheat the girls that are trying out and two your are being dishonest to them right off the bat. Not a good way to start a new team. I wouldn't want anything to do with an organization like that.

Call me new to travel ball I guess, But if I have 5-6 girls returning to a team that doen't mean they will automatically return to their positions. That is something that they must work for. I want girls to come in and challenge each other for positions.
 
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come on now coachsds, you can't tell me you don't already know some names you would like to have on your roster next year. Is loyalty completely out the window? What if your best player from last year shows up and has an absolutely horrible tryout? Are you going to ignore all of the great things you saw from her the past 10 months and replace her with someone new who you've seen for only 2 hrs. I don't think so, therefor, for her, the tryout is basically a formality. If you are not actively recruiting your own best players to return, then that's great news for the rest of us. I'm am sure you have talked to some of your parents about players returning. I bet in reality not all of your spots are open for a complete change-over.
 
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One more thing.....I doubt the Slammers are going to have open tryouts "with every position open." Nobody can say they are not an elite team. Like him or not, bigtrain has a plan far bigger that rolling over his roster each year. There is something to say about team chemistry.
 
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I agree Sammy repy of the year. Most coaches have their minds made up before tryouts. They are looking for the one or two players that might make the team.
 
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