Umpire Lynching

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Well, it wasn't quite that bad...but it was ugly. The ugliest case of umpire bashing, for me, in what has been an otherwise trouble-free early season.

The kicker...they were ready to lynch the umpires because we enforced the RIGHT rule!

Close game and the visiting team has mounted a comeback to tie it up. Home team is batting in the bottom of the seventh. There is a runner on first base and no outs.

Batter hits a fly ball to right field. The runner is off on contact (bad move on an easily catchable ball). The catch is made and the runner is nearly to second base- a dead duck. The throw to first for the double play comes in as the runner is desperately scrambling back.

But...the throw sails over the first baseman's head and goes straight into the dugout. As the ball becomes dead, the runner retouches first base.

The umpires- correctly- award two bases from the time of the throw and place the runner- the winning run- on third base.

Visiting team coach doesn't like this! He thinks- incorrectly- that since the runner had to retouch first that the award should only be second base. A lengthy discussion with the plate umpire ensues. The coach's protests seem to ignite his fans, convincing them that the umpires "blew it". They start to get animated.

Not satisfied with the explanation he got, the coach decides to plead his case with the base umpire (me), further delaying the game and further inciting his fans. He gets the same explanation- two bases from the time of throw- puts up a mild argument, then finally heads for the dugout. The visiting fans are really riled up now, screaming that "the umpires are stealing the game".

The next batter singles, the runner on third strolls home and the game is over. The visiting fans are just about losing it!

My partner and I take one step off the field and two fans in lawn chairs immediately begin giving us a hard time. They're telling us that we don't know the rules and we robbed their team!

We get another few steps toward the parking lot and another guy intercepts us, telling us how we blew that call and he knows he's right because he plays slow pitch softball!

We finally get to our cars and are taking off our gear, when an elderly white-haired woman of about 70 storms over an just literally rips into us! We cheated the kids! That was the worst umpiring she's ever seen! We should be ashamed of ourselves and never allowed to set foot on a field again!

All I said was, "That's real mature, Lady"- as I tried not to laugh.

I guess the moral of the story- other than venting a little bit- is that no matter what call you make, at least 50% of the folks at the game are going to be ticked off. It just struck me as odd that the worst abuse from fans I've gotten this year was the result of a 100% correct call! :eek:
 
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Come on Bret, we all know you are always wrong and if my Mom does that to you again, tell her her weekend pass is up and time to go back to her home...... ;)

We all know how good you and the majority of your blue brotherhood are and we appreciate the efforts for the major bucks you guys get.
 
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:confused: honest to pete. Why do people argue anyway?!?!?! What does the average joe know? I would not have known this and would assume you knew what you were talking about.

Honestly, there's nothing that gets me down at games more than watching people argue with umps. You know who was stealing the game? Yeah, the peanut gallery.
 
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Bretman:

Just hobble on down this way. The Southern Ohio fans don't act that way...LOL
 
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:confused: honest to pete. Why do people argue anyway?!?!?! What does the average joe know? I would not have known this and would assume you knew what you were talking about.

Honestly, there's nothing that gets me down at games more than watching people argue with umps. You know who was stealing the game? Yeah, the peanut gallery.

In this case... the Average Joe don't know nothing :D
 
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I've found this in my job too - people must remember to give credence to the experts. They just so often think "that can't possibly be right" and then forget to take into account the experiences of the person making the decisions!

grrr........ it's not just happening to you guys on the field.

I agree though - good job. We've had some very fine umping at our high school games this year.
 
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That's a pretty easy rule to apply. People don't understand it's two bases from the last legal base touched at the time of the throw, and that the last legal base is the one the runner started from. Umpires of course got this right and any coach with a clue and the interest to read the rulebook would have known as much.

That said, we had some truly horrible umpiring today. They apparently didn't understand that runners can't leave the base until the ball leaves the pitcher's hand.
 
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I cant stand when people do not know this rule.... It should be a LAW that you can not go and watch a sport if you do not know the basic rules, coaches should be barred from ever coaching again that do not know them, and umpires that do not know them should be laid to rest under home plate...Sorry Bretman I had to..
 
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I guess this is bringing the sport of fastpitch to the masses. It is juslt like all the people who see holding, and pass interference that the ref doesnt see. Or traveling, and charging that happens every time there is a bucket scored. That is why they are called fans, short for fanatic. Im glad that with the 14 years of being the only guy stuck in a house with 3 females I have developed selective hearing.....

I have found that being behind the plate and behind the fence as well I have learned to just ask why they made that call, as opposed to just saying it was the wrong call. I am finding out thet as umpires some just are looking at it a little different. Like I tell both my girls when they are in the field they need to remember that prayer.

Help me to fix the things I can fix. Let the things out of my controll be. Give me the wisedom to tell the difference. Something like that.
 
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I'm for it, but I couldnt find the poll to vote yes on Umpire Lynching. :)
 
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I was at a game the other day and a girl foul tipped a ball into the catchers mit for a called third strike. A fan (dad) cried out, "that was a foul ball". Several other fans echoed the same.

I tried to tell them that if it is a foul tip and the catchers catches it, that it is a strike out. The dad began to dispute me. He said the ball had to go 3 at least three feet. I just simply told him that is the rule and he just did not believe me. I just gave up and listen to several of the parents talk about the umps. Crazy!
 
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Actually, we prefer boiling in oil.......

Len

I forgot... in Southern Ohio they like to prep the umpires first in boiling oil and THEN tar and feather them.

Joe, I feel sorry for you as in the college level there should be some better umpires. As everyone knows, umpires can make or break your tournaments... and this is why I like to hand pick mine instead of getting what I get from the assigner. Especially in this area. It scary anymore.
Absolutely scary.
 
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I was umping a game and called a girl out at third. Ball was back in the circle, Noone was making a play on her she just stood there off the base. Third base coach told me how he was a lawyer and I didn't know what I was talking about, the rule was the same as baseball. I asked him why was there a circle around the pitcher. He had no idea but still insisted I was wrong.
 
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Bretman, sorry about that, glad to hear you kept your cool on a right call even though you and the other were being "lynched". Was at a game last week, parent just yelled out how bad a call was, ump was pretty much charging down 3rd base yelling, "what did you say?" and it went down hill from there, police were called for no reason by the ump...pray I never witness this again from an umpire...I would say parents/spectators too, but in this situation, it wasn't the parent/spectators out of line....
 
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Joe,

I got run by an umpire in Indiana once because he told the 1st base coach, "you know I don't have to take that from him, I umpire college Ball!"... When I heard that I was in our dugout, I told the coach, "I umpired college ball and there are a lot of umpires doing college ball that are as clueless as him", he came into the dugout and asked me to repeat what I said, so I did, he threw me out, at which point I decided to express to him my true feelings about his qualifications...

In any case...

Bretman,

Do you recall when it was not an appeal play when a runner missed the base? You just called it!!

I was doing a Regional Final in Illinois at the home teams field, it was a farm community, that basically emptied out the town for the game, the visitors took a 1 run lead in the top of the 7th, to make this short, home team is at bat, 2 outs, runners at 1st and 2nd, batter scorches a ball into RC, runner on 2nd steps over the bag at 3rd on his way home, the runner from 1st is safe at the plate on a close play, everyone goes crazy, my partner at the plate, looks at me and saw me start to raise my arm to kill the play (unnecessary but good mechanics) at which point I announce in a very loud voice which only the plate umpire and the coach of the visitors who was coming to the mound to console the pitcher who was on his knees, heard me, words were effectively, neither run counts runner from 2nd base missed 3rd, that is the 3rd out, ballgame is over!!!

Bottom line the local constabulary really didn't have their hearts in it as they led me and my partner to our cars and proceded with the state police that they had called in to lead us through a mob out of the parking lot and to the interstate.

I was really scared, but I made the call that was correct, and at that time it didn't matter if anyone else in the park saw it, if you saw it you killed the ball as soon as the play was over and made the call, I hated that rule but as you (Bretman) have said many times on this site, we cannot choose the rules that we enforce!
 
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I actually felt sorry for an umpire once who was put in a tough position. He was a baseball ump but was assigned to a jv softball game due to a lack of umpires one day. A girl left early from first on a steal. I asked him she left early, he said "how early can she leave?" In a later inning, he missed a look back rule violation because, as he admitted later, he had no idea it was a rule. We won't even discuss illegal pitches!
 
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Bretman,

Do you recall when it was not an appeal play when a runner missed the base? You just called it!

That was a little before my time as an umpire, but I coached teams long enough ago that we played under those rules. It used to be that way in high school baseball and softball. No appeal needed- if the umpire saw a missed base, he went ahead and called the out.

Believe it or not, there is one state- South Carolina- that still uses this rule in high school baseball!
 
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