Umpire Lynching

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I know what umps have to go through. My dd does it for a job in Little League. The kids umpire the game up to the 12U level where the adults take over. Last year, she made a call that got a girl out. It was a bang-bang play (something that doesn't typically happen at 8 and in rec). I guess it was the dd's father that started to harrass her, until I stood up. After each half inning, she would ask what she missed and stuff. I told her, the next time he jumos on you, throw him out, you have that power. Well, another parent from the other team jumped on her about a questionable call. She just stood there with her arms crossed and gave that look. Needless to say, no one questioned her again. She's looking forward to this year, hoping to throw someone out. .

 

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Some of the girls umpire baseball in the Goshen rec leagues and actually do a pretty good job at it. Especially if they know the game. Hopefully, they are our next set of umpires. Lack of women umpires in Ohio I think. I have three in my group that do a great job.... just hope some more come up in the ranks.

Rec ball parents are the absolute worst when it comes to rules, etc.. But, travel ball parents in the older age groups actually are learning the rules after all the years of watching .. which is a good thing.

I think TD's should hang rule books on the backstops and the base line fences for parent references....LOL

 

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Almost a lynching in Urbana this Saturday as well. Umpiring just horrible!!!

 

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we all get a little upset from time to time but i have witnessed a few where i almost got in to it because i felt so bad for ump.last year was at all sanction world series and watched an um make a questionable but not necessarily wrong call and parents from the bad end of call actually followed ump out towards car hollering and screaming a group of a few parents.one inparticular was really overboard and i was biting my tongue to not go over and say something or lay him out myself(but then i would not be much better)but it is definately an ugly side to the world we love and i know we all get upset just keep in mind you are not just trying to win but set an example for young ladies who are at a vulnerable time of there life if you cant coach and act like you have some sense spare us all and dont coach.sorry if i hit a nerve for some folks but if the shoe fits wear it.and alot of the parents doing these things are the same ones getting on there dd s for attitude go figure.umpires are human and will always make mistakes how you handle the situation is up to you.if you want to take the human element out of it have your dd play electronic checkers

 

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Wonder why on a non-judgement call......Why doesn't the Ump prove he is right by pulling out the rule book ??? Now I realize this can not always happen due to time limits. But as the original poster said - The coach continued the arguement with both ump's - Could have saved time !!!
And after the game, that would be the first thing I would do - Show the rule book & show the fans how ignorant they were......... Never gonna make everyone happy with judgement calls - But when it is because of a clear rule violation - Then enlighten the crowd, so maybe the next Ump will not have to go thru the same thing...........

 

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HEADS UP TO ORGS/TEAMS/PARENTS:

There are several Orgs and Teams I know that NEVER get accepted into prestigous tournaments like Compuware, Sparks, and others BECAUSE,

.......Their Org, Team, Parents, and/or Kids are KNOWN for being classless people that ARGUE and create issues with umps. RIGHT or WRONG arguing calls is part of the game, but making an *** of your ORG/TEAM/PARENTS/PLAYERS is another.

Word to the wise. Let BLUE do their job and everyone else do their job. Plenty of Coaches and Parents not getting their jobs done, but NEVER see BLUE pointing it out to anyone. LOL!

BRETMAN, maybe that could be a new spin on things. Every time a coach makes a really bad move.... CALL HIM OUT ON IT... Or if a Parent does something stupid..... CALL THEM OUT ON IT...

This could be fun...HAHAHAHAHAH

 

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Wonder why on a non-judgement call......Why doesn't the Ump prove he is right by pulling out the rule book ??? Now I realize this can not always happen due to time limits. But as the original poster said - The coach continued the arguement with both ump's - Could have saved time !!!
And after the game, that would be the first thing I would do - Show the rule book & show the fans how ignorant they were......... Never gonna make everyone happy with judgement calls - But when it is because of a clear rule violation - Then enlighten the crowd, so maybe the next Ump will not have to go thru the same thing...........

The coach was not arguing the fact that the penalty was two bases at the time of the throw. He was arguing that since the runner had to re-touch first base that the runner should have only been awarded 2nd base, and he was not going to listen to the fact that the runner already had established first base from a prior at-bat. No rule book in the world would have pacified this a$$ clown. See phrase from original post below.


"Visiting team coach doesn't like this! He thinks- incorrectly- that since the runner had to retouch first that the award should only be second base. A lengthy discussion with the plate umpire ensues. The coach's protests seem to ignite his fans, convincing them that the umpires "blew it". They start to get animated."

Len

 

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BRETMAN......sorry this happened to you. I know I have witnessed this type of behavior also, my dad used to be extremely bad yelling about pitchers crow hop ( and unfortunately our coaches had also pointed it out, but the umpires wouldnt call it because they didnt know the rule well enough ) I think as parents/spectators we should cheer on our kids/teams and if you dont agree with the umpires calls (we arent going to 100% of the time, but just deal with it) they are getting paid for knowing the rules, and most of us have the general rules down, but not all of them. Seems like from the time I started with my oldest DD to now with the youngest DD, that the fans are alot more vocal and out of control than they used to be. Just makes me cringe listening to some of them who have no clue about the rules. Posting rule books on the fields would be interesting, umpires could tell them to just go look it up........could you imagine the lines at these areas......LOL

 

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Bretman

If you had a David Letterman of top 10 most common misunderstood rules what would they be?

Then when a jerk coach approaches you just pull out the paper and say, sometimes you just can not fix stupid! You may have to read it to some of the people though! :lmao:

If the coach can not site chapter and verse of what they feel is the ruling then buy a rule book or take an umpires clinic if you want to learn more or put up the protest money and keep the game moving.

Maybe you should toss the coach more often as the parents feel they are not doing their job either and they can take the coaches job and then you get to toss them. Now that a win, win situation!

With the economy the way it is I am surprised there are not more of these shade tree fans and coaches wanting to take your position from behind the plate anyway

 

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Bretman time to post that list you posted last year.

 

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Better than ten, here are forty!

http://www.eteamz.com/softballumpires/files/Softball_Myth's.doc

(This list is for ASA softball, so there might be some differences with high school rules- like the new high school bunt rule about holding the bat in the strike zone being a strike. But it definitely covers the top ten most confused rules- and then some!)

 

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Had an umpire yell what I thought was "foul ball" on a ball fielded by my 3rd baseman. She thought the same thing and didn't throw the ball. When girl stayed at first I questioned the plate umpire that he yelled "foul ball." He informed me that he had yelled "fair ball" and the runner was safe. Would have been third out had she thrown the ball, so next batter hits a three run bases clearing double. He is lucky I left my rope at home!!!

 

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Didn't the ump throw up their arm indicating fair or foul?

 

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Didn't the ump throw up their arm indicating fair or foul?

I might be wrong, but vocalizing FAIR BALL is rediculous. I'm with Musty..... Arm signals get it done for EVERYONE(Fans, Coaches, Players, people in the parking lot... Vendors..... LOL)

 

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That's exactly why we're not supposed to yell or say anything on a fair ball- just point it fair if it's close to the line. This should eliminate any confusion about the status of the ball. That way, if the player hears anything, they should know it's foul. If they don't they can assume it's fair.

 

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That's exactly why we're not supposed to yell or say anything on a fair ball- just point it fair if it's close to the line. This should eliminate any confusion about the status of the ball. That way, if the player hears anything, they should know it's foul. If they don't they can assume it's fair.

That is what we all assumed, and have known to be fact, that is why I was so upset and made a complete fool of myself. Pretty sure he knew he messed up, thats why he let me throw such a temper tantrum.;&

 

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Sometimes I get to hear things that I usually keep quiet on unless they are addressed to me, but Bretman worked this tournament for me last year. A girl hit a ball right off the middle of the plate and it bounced straight up about shoulder high. The catcher immediately grabbed it and threw to first to get her out. The catcalls from the offensive team spectator area started and one of the funniest was that "It hit the plate blue, therefore if it foul". But to make it even better, the guy who was the most animated says "She was in foul ground when she fielded it. Foul ball blue!". I just happened to walk over to check up on them to see where they were timewise in the game and the vocal guy mumbled towards me about how lousy a job the umps were doing. I just shook my head and walked off in disbelief since I had a full view of the play. One parent came over and asked how a ball that hit the plate could be fair. She didn't like it when I drew a diagram of the field and showed her how the foul lines extend from the back edge of the plate and anything in the triangle forward was a fair ball regardless of the fielders position when they field the ball.

I give you guys in blue, white, red, and whatever colors you wear your due: I might not be as patient as you guys are when what should be obvious is argued.

 

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follow through on the play, player should have thrown ball to first anyhow.

 

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follow through on the play, player should have thrown ball to first anyhow.

Good advice from a coaching standpoint- if in doubt, follow through with the play.

From an umpiring standpoint, we shouldn't be doing anything to possibly confuse the players- like yelling "Fair!" on a fair batted ball!

 

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follow through on the play, player should have thrown ball to first anyhow.

Amen! Make the play whether you hear anything or not. If it's truly a foul ball there's no harm because a foul ball is a dead ball.

Len