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Yes or no! Any thoughts
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The thought process is make the bat heavier so that when you take the weight off you can generate more bat speed. I've read that this is actually detrimental to do prior to hitting. I'll see if I can dig up a reference.
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I saw that study as well. It was players swinging 2 bats on deck as compared to only swinging 1.
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Here is an answer from Yahoo! Answers:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080218125759AAKYVGD
I'm usually not a fan of Yahoo! Answers, but the author took time to reference his answer.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080218125759AAKYVGD
I'm usually not a fan of Yahoo! Answers, but the author took time to reference his answer.
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I'm sure Hitter will "weigh" in soon. No pun intended. My basic hillbilly understanding is that adding the weight to the end of the bat is detrimental to the hand path. If you're going to add weight, use weighted gloves.
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wg, that's what I understand from Hitter as well..
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go here and read about fast twitch/slow twitch muscles. swinging a heavy bat will work or fire the bigger slow twitch muscles and the opposite with a lighter [than normal] bat.FR
http://sportsmedicine.about.com/od/anatomyandphysiology/a/MuscleFiberType.htm
http://sportsmedicine.about.com/od/anatomyandphysiology/a/MuscleFiberType.htm
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Anything that drops the bat head is bad. Don't use them. Read hitters post on equipment and weighted Edge gloves. This puts the weight in the back of the hands and you can adjust the weight.
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http://www.procut.com/ here is a bat weight that does not change the path of the hands
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Do you remember those odd bats for slow pitch from years back? Well I have a spalding 34inch and 37oz called the tidal wave w/ patented water transfer system.FR
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From pro cut hitting
HOW TO DEVELOP A HITTERS MUSCLES.
With all the muscles in the human body, there are two common muscles that are used and developed. There is the fast twitch muscle fibers which are quick movement muscles. Then there are the slow twitch muscle fibers which are the strong muscles. A baseball and softball player should develop their muscles in the same speed and motion as they do in there games.
Playing other sports like football will not help you be a better baseball player and in many cases it can do more harm then good. To gain speed and strength with the same coordination, a baseball or softball player needs to develop their fast twitch muscles more about 60-70% then the slow twitch muscles.
Playing baseball and softball is more quick explosive movements with endurance, so players need to train that way. There is 3 ways to develop muscles in an overload/underload principles to training.
1– Acceleration training: develops the fast twitch muscles by using light weights many repetitions.
2– Deceleration training: develops the slow twitch muscles by using heavy weights few repetitions.
3– Ballistic training: develops both muscles at the same speed and motion as in competition.
TRADITIONAL SPORT SPECIFIC TRAINING FOR HITTERS.
If a hitter just trains with their own bat and regulation ball, example 33” 30oz. bat, baseball 5oz., softball 6.5oz., their muscles will only get as strong as the weight of the bat and ball. To get stronger, one would use a heavier bat. To get quicker, one would use a lighter bat. Common sense!
Then in the early 1950’s, the donut was introduced to the baseball world. In theory a hitter would put the weight at the barrel-end of the bat, swing it to loosen and strengthen up, then take it off and the bat would feel lighter. This is deceleration training. With time coaches and players got smarter and started swinging light bats to have the hitters swing quicker. This is acceleration training.
HOW TO DEVELOP A HITTERS MUSCLES.
With all the muscles in the human body, there are two common muscles that are used and developed. There is the fast twitch muscle fibers which are quick movement muscles. Then there are the slow twitch muscle fibers which are the strong muscles. A baseball and softball player should develop their muscles in the same speed and motion as they do in there games.
Playing other sports like football will not help you be a better baseball player and in many cases it can do more harm then good. To gain speed and strength with the same coordination, a baseball or softball player needs to develop their fast twitch muscles more about 60-70% then the slow twitch muscles.
Playing baseball and softball is more quick explosive movements with endurance, so players need to train that way. There is 3 ways to develop muscles in an overload/underload principles to training.
1– Acceleration training: develops the fast twitch muscles by using light weights many repetitions.
2– Deceleration training: develops the slow twitch muscles by using heavy weights few repetitions.
3– Ballistic training: develops both muscles at the same speed and motion as in competition.
TRADITIONAL SPORT SPECIFIC TRAINING FOR HITTERS.
If a hitter just trains with their own bat and regulation ball, example 33” 30oz. bat, baseball 5oz., softball 6.5oz., their muscles will only get as strong as the weight of the bat and ball. To get stronger, one would use a heavier bat. To get quicker, one would use a lighter bat. Common sense!
Then in the early 1950’s, the donut was introduced to the baseball world. In theory a hitter would put the weight at the barrel-end of the bat, swing it to loosen and strengthen up, then take it off and the bat would feel lighter. This is deceleration training. With time coaches and players got smarter and started swinging light bats to have the hitters swing quicker. This is acceleration training.
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We have a progressive ball drill. Each Ball is heavier that we hit. I will let Hitter explain why this is more effective. We do not hit basketballs like other camps instruct. You can read his post under hitting drills.
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From the NFHS (High School) Rulebook
So, the old "doughnut" weights that we knew as kids are out.
So, the old "doughnut" weights that we knew as kids are out.
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To the internet police....warning long answer!
I like using the Pro Cut weights as they load the knob of the bat and I have used these for years.
I also like the Edge Weighted batting gloves as again it puts the weight in the hands. You can have up to 12 ounces in each hand or mix and match the weights so you can increase the weight in just your lead hand or top hand when doing one handed drills. It is also great for the long toss program. The NCAA did a study on that about 10 to 12 years when our son was pitching and it really was interesting.
By using the Pro Cut weights and Edge Weighted batting gloves we feel helps build the muscle memory and hand path faster. For me and I speak for no one on this subject as each person must discover it for them self the linear phase of making a good first move on every pitch is critical and then the knob of the bat being inside the path of the ball and releasing the wrist to the inside 2/3 of the flight of the ball is what makes a hitter successful. With the weight focused in the area of the hands is what creates a better hand path and the releasing of the wrists of the bat to the ball makes a more powerful swing seem less effortless when called upon to do it in a game with timing and rhythm and using the same bat in practice you will use in a game. With the weight focused on or towards the end of the bat in my opinion causes or re enforces a bad hand path in my opinion as it generates too much unnatural centripetal force and centripetal force is not centrifugal force.
Professor Adair stated in his book, "If the path of the hands is know or could be predicted you could put a ball on the end of a rope and hit a ball with it." This is why we created the WhipHit so you could focus on hand path while directing the ball on the end of the rope to the ball on the tee or taking batting practice with it. You are always trying to use the sweet part of the bat on every pitch or every swing.
We also use the progression ball drill for hitting to increase bat speed. We hit a tennis ball, hard ball 5.25 ounces, regular softball 6.5 ounces and then a weighted softball 10.8 ounces or a 12.8 ounce and that is one cycle and repeat 15 to 20 times. Each cycle is done one ball at a time not rapid fire.
Then we use a whiffer stick which is 44 inch long aluminum tube with 16 ounces of weight in the handle and has holes drilled in the bat head end so it whistles when you swing it. The more noise you make the faster you are swing it. We picked this idea up at an NFCA convention in 2005 from UT.
I do not use donuts, sleeves or heavy designed end load bats.
I like using the Pro Cut weights as they load the knob of the bat and I have used these for years.
I also like the Edge Weighted batting gloves as again it puts the weight in the hands. You can have up to 12 ounces in each hand or mix and match the weights so you can increase the weight in just your lead hand or top hand when doing one handed drills. It is also great for the long toss program. The NCAA did a study on that about 10 to 12 years when our son was pitching and it really was interesting.
By using the Pro Cut weights and Edge Weighted batting gloves we feel helps build the muscle memory and hand path faster. For me and I speak for no one on this subject as each person must discover it for them self the linear phase of making a good first move on every pitch is critical and then the knob of the bat being inside the path of the ball and releasing the wrist to the inside 2/3 of the flight of the ball is what makes a hitter successful. With the weight focused in the area of the hands is what creates a better hand path and the releasing of the wrists of the bat to the ball makes a more powerful swing seem less effortless when called upon to do it in a game with timing and rhythm and using the same bat in practice you will use in a game. With the weight focused on or towards the end of the bat in my opinion causes or re enforces a bad hand path in my opinion as it generates too much unnatural centripetal force and centripetal force is not centrifugal force.
Professor Adair stated in his book, "If the path of the hands is know or could be predicted you could put a ball on the end of a rope and hit a ball with it." This is why we created the WhipHit so you could focus on hand path while directing the ball on the end of the rope to the ball on the tee or taking batting practice with it. You are always trying to use the sweet part of the bat on every pitch or every swing.
We also use the progression ball drill for hitting to increase bat speed. We hit a tennis ball, hard ball 5.25 ounces, regular softball 6.5 ounces and then a weighted softball 10.8 ounces or a 12.8 ounce and that is one cycle and repeat 15 to 20 times. Each cycle is done one ball at a time not rapid fire.
Then we use a whiffer stick which is 44 inch long aluminum tube with 16 ounces of weight in the handle and has holes drilled in the bat head end so it whistles when you swing it. The more noise you make the faster you are swing it. We picked this idea up at an NFCA convention in 2005 from UT.
I do not use donuts, sleeves or heavy designed end load bats.
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All that and we still can't beat the Japanese in softball or baseball! Ten years from now we'll discover that it's more about eating seafood than using whiffer sticks and weighted gloves. I think the emphasis on science is going to backfire. Kids want to play ball. They don't want to go to science class. The physical aspects of hitting are only about 30 percent of the battle anyway. Most people can develop an acceptable-- even exceptional swing. But most people with acceptable-- even exceptional-- swings can't hit to save their butts. Why? Well, that's the question the scientists can't answer. The only people who can answer that question are people who can hit. That's why all the hitting instructors in the Big Leagues are former great hitters-- not scientists.
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I have always found that warming up properly with the bat you hit with is just fine. I never understood the need to swing something that will feel differently than what you are going to hit with. It also has been documented that doing so actually slows bat speed.
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Nearly every big league hitter swings a lead pipe or a weighted bat in the on deck circle. It makes your bat feel lighter. Enough said. What slows your bat speed is taking two or three practice swings between pitches. Your muscles take more than ten seconds to recover from a full swing. Taking hard practice swings between pitches is a bad idea.
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MY TAKE..to the extent the lighter feel gives your Daughter a mental edge it may trump the mild reduction in speed 10X.. Point being if the batter has any need to gain a mental step up in confidence.. I think it may be worth it.
The study I saw said it does reduce bat speed by less than a fraction of a MPH as it works different muscle fibers in the arm when the bat is heavier ( not my take Sports Science Show)
The study I saw said it does reduce bat speed by less than a fraction of a MPH as it works different muscle fibers in the arm when the bat is heavier ( not my take Sports Science Show)
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MLB players use weighted objects on deck to stretch their muscles. They do not try to take proper swings. They are mainly stretching their pecs, lats, and torso. They also stretch their quads and hamstrings.
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