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California has softball. OHIO has FOOTBALL. I will bet money if many coaches and parent looked on how the softball players were treated in Cali they would be amazed.

 

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P.S. Lenski, I wouldn't expect you to garner anything from my posts anyway - maybe just ignore them?

Hahahaha........If you spew crud, I will let you know about it. If you post anything of value, I will give you your props. That's how I roll. If you want to be ignored, then your best option would be not to post.

Len

 

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Its football. It’s tough, it’s a sport were kids getting bones broken and concussions are common, and getting paralyzed from the neck down happens to a handfull of kids. If a kid is scared to get hit, he will surely get seriously hurt when he does get hit. The impact football puts on the body is equivalent to a car crash play after play. Shoulder pads and the football helmet are made for enormous impacts. This is not out of the norm for coaches to hit, scream, yell, swear, and punish kids on a scale you can not get away with in any other sport. In fact coaches make kids run and train so hard that the kids throwup on a regular basis, year after year..

This sport is different than any other sport, and takes a unique player to play it. The kids that can't handle it join the marching band or play s##c#r instead.

 

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I sometimes have to laugh at things that are characterized as abuse. Between teachers, principals, and my parents it seems I was always getting spanked as a child. 99% of the time I did something to deserve it. Belts, wooden hairbrushes, paddles with holes, oh my! I know you don't know me but most people who do would I agree I turned out okay. I wouldn't change a thing about the way I was raised either. Personally I think this world could use more old school.

AMEN! Enough said!

 

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If a kid can't take a rap on the helmet from a clipboard or some strong language......maybe he should play ******! You know European football and maybe he should take a stroll to Mamby Pamby Land too!

 

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If a kid can't take a rap on the helmet from a clipboard or some strong language......maybe he should play ******! You know European football and maybe he should take a stroll to Mamby Pamby Land too!

do they lollygag in mamby pamby land???

 

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:lmao:You get hit on the head with a clipboard if you DONT lollygag!!!

 

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My personal take, as a former football player, son of a State Champ and college player, former Marine, and current Prosecuting Attorney-we are seriously "wimpifying" our kids. The level of what constitutes "Abuse" is constantly sliding downwards, to the point where I have heard "experts" on child abuse say with a straight face that"... any unwanted touching or aggressive verbal outburst should be treated as abuse...." My kids had a puppet show in preschool and kindergarten that told them the same thing, and they came home with a magent with the 800 # to report child abuse.....My very first play under the lights the guy next to me and myself screwed up a blocking assignment. Coach called time out, grabbed Kirks' and my face mask, conked our heads together in front of about 3000 witnesses, and not very politely conjugated some nouns about our intelligence and parentage. My dad, who was retired by then, was standing directly across the endzone from us, and was still laughing when we drove our opponents through the end zone for a touchdown. In this day and age, the coach would probably be arrested within minutes....I am willing to bet the children mentioned earlier as problem kids are more likely to be babysat by the videogame than the single-parent raising them, based on first hand observation over the last 18 years. Remedial discipline is done to punish, to reinforce, or to humiliate. I personally believe the first two are alright, but again that is just my opinion. To sum up, as someone who was physically disciplined at home, in sports, and in the USMC, people will never agree on what is appropriate, but if you completely remove it, it is why our society ****s more every day. I am sure this will get the hornet's nest kicked over...

 

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Boys react to certain things differently than girls. I don't know what exactly was said but there are certain things you just can't say to any child. Boys take being yelled at much better than girls. They just kind of blow it off. Most girls will shut down. Now the example laid out may be abusive. It is one thing to get on them for a mistake but quite another to verbally abuse them. This happened all the time when I played football. Coaches yelled at us, cursed at us etc... This was when I was older. Pee wee football not so much.

 

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When I was young, my Dad taught me how to use my glove by putting me up against a block wall & hurling baseballs at me. If I was struck by a ball, it was my fault because I had a glove. This behaviour would not be accepted today but I will say I learned to use my glove fast and I had the best glove on the team by far.

Abuse, is in the eyes of the beholder, there is a huge grey area. I brought this subject up because in the eyes of most this behaviour is ok for boys & not for girls.

 

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My personal take, as a former football player, son of a State Champ and college player, former Marine, and current Prosecuting Attorney-we are seriously "wimpifying" our kids. The level of what constitutes "Abuse" is constantly sliding downwards, to the point where I have heard "experts" on child abuse say with a straight face that"... any unwanted touching or aggressive verbal outburst should be treated as abuse...." My kids had a puppet show in preschool and kindergarten that told them the same thing, and they came home with a magent with the 800 # to report child abuse.....My very first play under the lights the guy next to me and myself screwed up a blocking assignment. Coach called time out, grabbed Kirks' and my face mask, conked our heads together in front of about 3000 witnesses, and not very politely conjugated some nouns about our intelligence and parentage. My dad, who was retired by then, was standing directly across the endzone from us, and was still laughing when we drove our opponents through the end zone for a touchdown. In this day and age, the coach would probably be arrested within minutes....I am willing to bet the children mentioned earlier as problem kids are more likely to be babysat by the videogame than the single-parent raising them, based on first hand observation over the last 18 years. Remedial discipline is done to punish, to reinforce, or to humiliate. I personally believe the first two are alright, but again that is just my opinion. To sum up, as someone who was physically disciplined at home, in sports, and in the USMC, people will never agree on what is appropriate, but if you completely remove it, it is why our society ****s more every day. I am sure this will get the hornet's nest kicked over...

Amen Mr. Prosecutor :yahoo:

 

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So you are saying there is a double standard in the world. Boys are different than girls??

Someone here once said "A boy has to play good to feel good, and a girl has to feel good to play good." Thats the best way I have ever heard it explained.

 

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So you are saying there is a double standard in the world. Boys are different than girls??
Someone here once said "A boy has to play good to feel good, and a girl has to feel good to play good." Thats the best way I have ever heard it explained.

My DD's taught me that lesson 2 years ago. While I responded to yelling and sarcasm and the aforementioned 'abuse' when I was 14/15/16 & 17, my DD's did not. Once I realized and accepted that, they taught me what I needed to do to motivate them to push themselves just that much farther. But even those two, one is a catcher, one is a pitcher, have to be coached different. The pitcher needs encouragement to motivate while the catcher can use criticism and antics (to a point!) to get fired up.

In the end they are women, so the sooner I accept that it is my fault regardless, the sooner my hair stops falling out!!! :lmao:

 

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It's always your fault.:lmao:

 

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It's always your fault.:lmao:

EXACTLY!!!!

 

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In Jr. High if boys left any articles (especially books) laying out on a bench in the locker room, he would lock the items in his office. To get the stuff back, you got a lick with his board (with holes) for each item. Now, some might say that was abuse, but as far as I can tell, I don't have any scars on my rear! The great thing is there were NEVER any repeat offenders! It was somehow a little more effective than a "timeout" or standing in the corner. Sometimes the "fear of God" (or Mr. Todd's board) was all it took as a deterrent.

Are girls different? YOU BET! This punishment only applied to boys - because the girls just weren't as stupid!

 

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My personal take, as a former football player, son of a State Champ and college player, former Marine, and current Prosecuting Attorney-we are seriously "wimpifying" our kids. The level of what constitutes "Abuse" is constantly sliding downwards, to the point where I have heard "experts" on child abuse say with a straight face that"... any unwanted touching or aggressive verbal outburst should be treated as abuse...." My kids had a puppet show in preschool and kindergarten that told them the same thing, and they came home with a magent with the 800 # to report child abuse.....My very first play under the lights the guy next to me and myself screwed up a blocking assignment. Coach called time out, grabbed Kirks' and my face mask, conked our heads together in front of about 3000 witnesses, and not very politely conjugated some nouns about our intelligence and parentage. My dad, who was retired by then, was standing directly across the endzone from us, and was still laughing when we drove our opponents through the end zone for a touchdown. In this day and age, the coach would probably be arrested within minutes....I am willing to bet the children mentioned earlier as problem kids are more likely to be babysat by the videogame than the single-parent raising them, based on first hand observation over the last 18 years. Remedial discipline is done to punish, to reinforce, or to humiliate. I personally believe the first two are alright, but again that is just my opinion. To sum up, as someone who was physically disciplined at home, in sports, and in the USMC, people will never agree on what is appropriate, but if you completely remove it, it is why our society ****s more every day. I am sure this will get the hornet's nest kicked over...

Yeah, my dad shoveled snow for the entire neighborhood in his see thru worn-out hanes t-shirts, grease stained levi's, and no gloves for hours... that's tough! I used to think stupid, but now I know what rugged is and he is incredibly strong willed and that is pretty important these days in our liberal world (sorry for the mini-soapbox and no I'm not that political). Now, I grew up getting slapped to the ground playing sports and it was motivational, not abusive. I also had to use my helmet to drink out of during practice and you never heard any of the 50 guys on the team complain...Viewpoints won't align on this type of practice or coaching but since it's boys a lot will be overlooked. Boys vs girls... the old debate will never end. Just as some don't understand why two rams slam horns for hours but nature says it's ok... it's guy thing in many cases. Flipping the script, I surely wouldn't want my boy to go to the powder room because that's a girl thang! I know, I'm not talking about abuse. Simple fact it is different and many people are trying to make it the same when good ol' fashion methods aren't viewed as OK like the used to be. This topic could go on forever.

Now abuse is abuse and the "dad's" on the sidelines apparently let it go on, shame on them and now are they wusses too? My dad would of ran across the field and used his frost bitten hands and "learnt" them sorry coaches a thing or two (tried to say it in his words). My dad played ball for Moeller in the late 60's and he apparently liked seeing the yelling and motivation slaps on my helmet or else...

Hope my jumping around is understood. Boys will be boys, girls will be girls, and if these coaches were out of line they should have been addressed right away.

 

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In Jr. High if boys left any articles (especially books) laying out on a bench in the locker room, he would lock the items in his office. To get the stuff back, you got a lick with his board (with holes) for each item. Now, some might say that was abuse, but as far as I can tell, I don't have any scars on my rear! The great thing is there were NEVER any repeat offenders! It was somehow a little more effective than a "timeout" or standing in the corner. Sometimes the "fear of God" (or Mr. Todd's board) was all it took as a deterrent.

Are girls different? YOU BET! This punishment only applied to boys - because the girls just weren't as stupid!

:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:

 

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Okay---never said football wasn't a tough sport. I like watching football, but in any situation, be it a parent, teacher, coach, priest, whatever---if a child is belittled and degraded, that is abuse. A bad experience? Seriously--I'm a MOM--a girl---didin't play football. My brother did, my brother-in-law did, and my cousin played for the Steelers. I understand football, and as a teacher of 21 years, I understand children. I have worked with children who have been physically, emotionall and sexually abused and could tell you stories that make your clipboard swinging, stick flinging old teachers look like Mother Theresa. Treating kids like this is not necessary, period. And by the way---Rosy Grier is a Christian minister. One---he didn't play football except with his buddies when he was 6, and I seriously doubt if he would be out there throwing F-bombs at little boys. You can teach toughness without being a jerk like some of these coaches.

I love Gunny and his Mamby Pamby land line---there are too many wimps out there, but what I've learned from most of my stellar parents is that the tough loud mouths who treat their kids like dirt are the very ones with the "smallest" self-esteem which is why they finid it so easy to bully little kids. TRUE men have the integrity NOT to pick on kids---you can teach without degrading.

 

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my High school football coach was loved by all, a soft spoken man, Sergeant Major Bill Orr carried his Marine Corps swagger stick that he used to slap his leg with as he coached the defense. On one occasion he grabbed a kid by the face mask and slammed that swagger stick on his helmet to remind him of his responsibilities on a particular play. Didn't hurt but got my attention and never forgot the assignment again. Getting hit my another player was easier than coach Orr's consequences of screwing up. But, I was 18, in shape and not as impressionable as an 8 year old. Plus, times have changed and better approaches to coaching have been developed. Liberty Mutual has a nice set of guidelines for effective coaching that would certainly not include swagger sticks or yelling at 6 year olds who will, some day, have their own kids.