What is the most dangerous position on the field?

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That is correct. Socccer ball kicked into the eye at point blank range. So she wears goggles playing ****** and a mask playing softball. Teaching them how to field and throw is a whole new argument. We both know the answer to that when they show up at our clinics. Have we had one male coach yet show us how to teach balance to a female ?

 

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I would also state that you now see many kids varsity and college level. Utilizing the head protection in soker, as it is found to reduce long term effects of hitting a ball with their heads.

I even remember one of the pitchers using the soker style in the NCAA tournament last year. I guess she wouldn't play for those same coaches either....

What good is getting a degree, if in 10 years you won't be able to remember your name...

 

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BS......... Baseball has been around for a longggg time, and the only saftey change in the last 50 years is the helmet. I guess most people think girls are not tough.

Guess you have not heard.. they are banning bats for safety in Baseball just like Fastpitch, Slow pitch.

 

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But to cover a slower kid with all kinds of padding so she can cheat the game is just **** ****.

Having the ability to gain a competitive advantage "If it is within the rules" of the game it is not cheating.

Naturally; the first part of safety is proper instruction and "education".
Any position in any sport can have dangers if, the athlete is not properly instructed and does not work to master the skills needed to successful.

As players advance their skills they get additional instruction and competition challenges to improve their game,, thus you have parents that upgrade bats, gloves and other equipment as the player gains the skills to use them effectively.

Today,s players bring a variety of playing / safety skills and benefits to teams that they acquire while playing (some more than others).

As these players continue on their Fastpitch journey you see them getting bigger, stronger, faster.
There will always be risk as a is part of sport. Those that understand the risk, accept the risk and take measures to minimize the risk usually hang around longer than those who do not.

 

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BS......... Baseball has been around for a longggg time, and the only saftey change in the last 50 years is the helmet. I guess most people think girls are not tough.

Guess you have not heard.. they are banning bats for safety in Baseball just like Fastpitch, Slow pitch.

Aluminum Bat Regulations

The National Federation of State High School Associations announced early in 2000 that in January 2001 prep players have to conform to new bat regulations. The NCAA instituted the new regulations last season with no controversy. It's not clear if high school coaches will feel the same at the end of 2001.
Prior to January 1999, all aluminum bats for high school and college could have a maximum barrel diameter of 2.75 inches. The new regulations make the collegiate bat skinnier and heavier, and now the prep bats will have the same specifications. This change was implemented because NCAA officials came to believe the modern aluminum bats gave hitters an advantage.
It is an issue of hot debate that caused great rancor in the bat business. Easton, an industry leader, was so upset it sued the NCAA. That suit has been dropped, but there still is confusion because there are two standards in existence, collegiate and prep. That confusion should disappear this year.

 

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punchout: It is a different game . Do we wear facemasks on our helments , YES, College no. Do you think that is foolish at the younger levels? We played indoors this winter for the laser/Heat high school team. l. I would bet 70% of the corners and pitchers had masks on, so I guess from posts on here no college coach would recruit them. I take this as the same argument we hear on seat belts. It won't happen to me....My question would be if a safety device is offered and it does not effect your play at all, then why not wear it? I was a catcher and you could not give me enough to wear. Same when I catch my dd today. It only takes one wrong bounce to ruin the day. My dd had an eye injury this year. So she must play with a protective device , because the eye Dr told us any hit to the head could cause blindness for the next few years. So I guess no college will be interested in her.

I understand the game is different than baseball. I have already conceded the mask, losing eyesight would be terrible. However I can not go along with the corners wearing anything other than a mask. If they are in danger of getting hit by a line drive then they are playing TOO close. This game was invented so that danger was a part of the game, but probably not intentionally. That is why kids bunt, because only a fool would move so close they are in danger. Get my point? So NOW there are people thinking that to stop the bunt they will just wear enough padding that it is not dangerous to move way in. To me that is chicken **** and not in the spirit of the game. By the way I have never heard a college coach say their players can not wear gameface or a batting helmet mask. I see players in the College World Series wearing them. I do not know if it is purely preventative, or protection from a recent injury, but there were players with them on. Not many , but a few.
I totally understand a catcher padding up, they are playing an obviously dangerous position. Its not like they can move 15 feet back, they are required to stay in the catchers box. But a 1st and 3rd baseplayer is not required to play in such a manner to put themselves in harms way, and to body armor up to cover bunts is wrong, plain and simple.
I`m truely sorry your kid got hurt, I know what it is like to have a severely injured DD.

 

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Having the ability to gain a competitive advantage "If it is within the rules" of the game it is not cheating.

Naturally; the first part of safety is proper instruction and "education". Any position in any sport can have dangers if the athlete is not properly instructed and does not work to master the skills needed to successful.

As players advance their skills they get additional instruction and competition challenges to improve their game,, thus you have parents that upgrade bats, gloves and other equipment as the player gains the skills to use them effectively.
Today,s players bring a variety of playing / safety skills and benefits to teams that they acquire while playing (some more than others).
As these players continue on their Fastpitch journey you see them getting bigger, stronger, faster. There will always be risk as a is part of sport. Those that understand the risk, accept the risk and take measures to minimize the risk usually hang around longer than those who do not.

Let me tell you this, if it starts to become common practice that kids pad up to prevent injuries because they are playing too close to cover bunts, the ASA will step in, they understand the spirt of the game.
Pro golf made a rule, "no square groves." Ping won a lawsuit 20 years ago that let players use their wedges. That "finding" is still in force and a handful of players decided to skirt the new rule because of the legal technicality of the Ping clubs. Those players were not cheating either, but peer pressure stopped the majority of them from playing a square grove club. Fastpitch did not have the intention of padding up to prevent bunts, but we all know there will be those"few" who will do it anyway. If one cant play a position the way it was intended, then find another position, dont "skirt" the spirit of the rules.

 

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I understand a mask for the pitchers and corners, but a chest protector and shin guards? How are they going to move? Are you willing to sacrifice every bit of your 3rd baseman's range on the rare chance that she will get hurt? Seems a bit crazy to me. You should get a girl who has good reflexes and can defend herself rather than just apply body armor. I'm all about safety, but there comes a point where you start going overboard. I would think bogging her down with gear would only hinder her reflexes and cause more of a safety issue.
Could you imaging playing 3rd base with catchers gear on? You'd get eaten alive with bunts and routine grounders!

 

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This is an old post I remembered and dug up today. It is a no brainer after you read this one.

BTW my DD wears Evoshield.

Quote from whutch:
I was in the dugut watching Tiffin University take pre-game on the baseball field my junior year at Mount Vernon Nazarene college. It was a beautiful day in the spring 1986, bright sunshine and blue skies. It was a week day game which meant no school that day for the team and life was really good that day. During thier warm ups something happened and their second baseman was hit in the chest with a thrown ball. He hit the ground and never got up!!! All efforts to revive him were unsuccessful. When the doctors came out to speak to everyone at the hospital they said his aorta was severed and that he died there on the field, on that glorious day. There aren't many days that go by without remembering that day but one things for sure, every game my kids play in they wear their heart guard. My son is 15 and last summer was the first year that he was unable to wear it because his chest was too big, the plate would not stay in place. My two daughters both wear it with out being reminded, it is just part of the uniform now. So yes wear something for as long as you can and if someone asks why your kid is wearing it, tell them this little story. I never want to witness this again on the field, ever!

 

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I copied this for your enjoyment...

Batters and pitchers had the highest absolute number of injuries due to impact with a batted ball in games.

A total of 22% of the total game injuries to pitchers occurred from batted balls, and about one third of game injuries to third basemen involved batted balls.

I am a little dense but am I missing something here? 22% of total game injuries to pitchers is different than 22% of total game injuries. "one third of injuries to 3rd baseman" last time I checked one third was equal to 33%. Seems to contradict the first statement

 

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Damn that new math!! I remember when 33% was bigger than 22%.

 

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I copied this for your enjoyment...

Batters and pitchers had the highest absolute number of injuries due to impact with a batted ball in games.

A total of 22% of the total game injuries to pitchers occurred from batted balls, and about one third of game injuries to third basemen involved batted balls.

I am a little dense but am I missing something here? 22% of total game injuries to pitchers is different than 22% of total game injuries. "one third of injuries to 3rd baseman" last time I checked one third was equal to 33%. Seems to contradict the first statement

I would think batters who are injuried by batted balls are foul tips off the foot, leg etc?

 

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This is an old post I remembered and dug up today. It is a no brainer after you read this one.

BTW my DD wears Evoshield.

Quote from whutch:
I was in the dugut watching Tiffin University take pre-game on the baseball field my junior year at Mount Vernon Nazarene college. It was a beautiful day in the spring 1986, bright sunshine and blue skies. It was a week day game which meant no school that day for the team and life was really good that day. During thier warm ups something happened and their second baseman was hit in the chest with a thrown ball. He hit the ground and never got up!!! All efforts to revive him were unsuccessful. When the doctors came out to speak to everyone at the hospital they said his aorta was severed and that he died there on the field, on that glorious day. There aren't many days that go by without remembering that day but one things for sure, every game my kids play in they wear their heart guard. My son is 15 and last summer was the first year that he was unable to wear it because his chest was too big, the plate would not stay in place. My two daughters both wear it with out being reminded, it is just part of the uniform now. So yes wear something for as long as you can and if someone asks why your kid is wearing it, tell them this little story. I never want to witness this again on the field, ever!

Sad Story, Even sadder there are people out there that still don?t get it.

 

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I've seen two foul balls off the bat into the batters face. One a D-1 college game where the outcome was stitches (no facemask,) the other last year High School Darby vs Teays Valley Regional final, that would have had the same result, but instead foul ball off the protective batter facemask, strike two, no hospital trip.

 

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Being a head coach

 

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Punchout glad to debate you just like on J J Huddle. Miss you on there it isn't the same. Now where in any of my posts did I say play corners in. I just think they should wear a mask in the younger ages. To punch a hole in your argument. No pun intended. Coaches, which I know many of you reading this .. It is a 14U game and to please the punchout crowd, third base is at the bag. My dd comes up that is 2.80 to first base and she shows bunt, what are your corners trained to do? She can also hit for power, or power slap it right down the third base line. I know a coach that is reading this that is laughing, because she about took his head off doing this. I bet every coach reading this will have the same answer. Point made, for that type of hitter I don't care where your third baseman starts at, she is at risk. This is a different sport than baseball, because of the slappers.

 

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As soon as you walk on that field you are at risk of injury, whether you are a player, coach, fan, or just passerby. It's a part of the game. People are injured and die participating in athletic events all the time and in every country. It is a risk you take when you decide to participate. Anyone been watching the Olympics?? I think safety is just about everyone's utmost concern, but accidents do happen and we have to be prepared for that, we can't put bubble wrap around everyone.

 

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You are corrct Klump, When she was 12, Mine even knocked a guy out with a foul ball to another field. Knocked him right out of his chair and she felt bad that whole day. I saw one lady show up with a hard hat one day, even she was prepared.

In the end dangerous game with risks that can be minimized if one chooses to do so.

 

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SBFamily I like this forum better. JJ got greedy, it obviously wasn`t the money, it was the principal.
I have already conceded the mask. Let them wear them. I guess I got spoiled watching elite level college ball. They do not charge the batter as much as kids do when a batter shows bunt. They wait until the last split second to decide to charge the batter. In college they play back and normally have quickness at the corner (3rd) to cover it effectively. I understand we don`t always have quickness at 3rd in high school and summer ball, so kids are told to play in. Big Mistake in my humble opinion. Putting the kid in danger doing that. If the kids lays the perfect bunt, so be it.

 

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I think with the bat's as lively as they are. I think mask's should be mandatory. One death is too many. I don't care how quick you are your not fast enough if it's hit right. Two year's ago my daughter who threw high 50's as a 12u got drilled knocked her off her feet and she is built like a linebacker. It hit her in the shoulderblade thank god, she did'nt have a chance if it would've hit her in the face it might have killed her. They need to make them mandatory or do something with the bat's. Rather be safe than sorry.