What motivates you more, pain of losing or thrill in winning?

klinder

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I often wonder what motivates people more, hating to lose or wanting to win? Is it the pain of losing or the fun in winning that keeps bringing us back for more? Some of my best athletes hated to lose and that motivated them to work harder and some of my best athletes wanted to win more than anything. Would love to hear what motivates the great ones more, pain or pleasure?

Is it ....
1. The threat of punishment
2. The hurt you feel if you lose
3. The positive feeling you get from winning
4. Or my favorite getting ice cream, external motivation

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Getting kids and parents to understand the value of competing and working for a common goal seems to be getting harder for coaches. Players and Parents seem to be more focused on who is watching me rather than if the team wins or loses and the lessons that are learned from both.

I would say my players hated losing more than wanting winning. The team mindset was “expecting to win every time out”. Knowing that you have trained and worked to be the best they can be and earned the right to start where they are.

While we did have team discipline and player accountability I never bought into Punishment for loosing. At the Recreational/Travel and HS level I would just SMH at coaches that made their players run the bases or do line sprints in front of the crowd after a game win or lose. The sad thing is you never seen these coaches incorporating these activities in pre-game warm up that would have helped the players more. A lot of time establishing routines pre / post game, having an actual practice plan that keeps practice lively and challenges the players has more of an impact on game day and helps shape the expecting to win attitude than running after a loss.

Coaches a lot of times revert to the punishment mindset because they do not know any other way to motivate or even more important how to improve playing performance and mental attitude. In some cases, parents see how a coach disciplines or handles the team and reinforces unhealthy/bad habits with over or improper training or practice. There is also the mental beatdown on the ride home or after events parents/coaches tend to get into.
 

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Cards post on this thread is as good as it gets. I'm not sure if my comments are an extension of an already fine answer or possibly redundant thoughts on the subject. I'll leave the meat of the subject alone and offer my thoughts on punishment versus reward.

I have used both and my initial response is the right way to handle it depends on the individual team and no black or white answer will be correct. One twist I have always used is we would run if we won----not if we lost. I referred to it as our victory lap and we would run from home to 1st in a sprint one at a time while we cheered each player for a job well done. The first few times the girls thought it was stupid but they finally bought into it and took pride in it. Yes, I have punished but never if they gave it an "all out" effort. We got outplayed by better teams at times but quickly acknowledged them in our after game review. I was quick to point out it was only THAT game. We get ourselves more mentally prepared and take our "A" game to them next time we'd be running our victory laps right now. I tried to teach being humble in victory and respectful in defeat. I always searched out the best and offer to play them any time. I wanted the girls to see the confidence I had in them throughout the course of the season in hopes it would have them mentally ready for the challenges at the season ending tourneys that, in my eyes, really mattered.

I mentioned that I have punished. Does it ever work? I can share a short story that may give you something to think about. A larger local tourney that had the bulk of our team actually playing in their own backyard had us excited about playing in front of a hometown crowd, something you don't always get to do in travel ball. After a great start on Friday night and a good run on Saturday, we had advanced to the final game in the winner's bracket Sunday morning. A close encounter left us on the losing side by a run with a 1-game break before playing in the loser's bracket final. That game started badly and got worse with every pitch and every play. The girls fell apart and couldn't field or throw a ball. We wore out 3 pitchers trying to finish a 5-inning rout. In front of an entire community this 16u bunch looked like 10 yr old still trying to learn how instead of playing up to the hype the local community had come to hear and expect. After the game I discussed the issue with staff and felt we couldn't let them go home like this. We had the kids go tell the parents that we were going to fix this and meet us behind the outfield fence. There, we had the girls line up and throw to each other, back and forth, till they could do it as a team without dropping or missing a ball by all for at least 5 minutes. We went back to the basics of throwing, following thru, and catching while watching the ball into the glove each and every time. We threw out there with the championship game going on and the community able to see us for the length of the entire championship game. I told them I had all day and if they needed to stay till dark, each and every one of you fine athletes will still be here throwing till we get this part of your game fixed.

Cruel and unusual punishment? Didn't need to be that way. They made it that way. Parents came and wanted to get their kid and leave. I answered with if you go don't ever come back! They walked away. Painful to watch. As a follow up; we played 2 more tourneys after that and trophy'd in both. The next 2 years of high school ball they all ended up being shining stars at their respective high schools. Personally, I never observed ANY of them make a bad throw or miss a ball in a game. Do they hate me? If they do they have hidden it well over the years. lol. Did it make a difference? In that case I believe it did as that fall we had more local girls brought to our tryouts than ever before. Even if the kids didn't like it, parents seem to accept it.
 

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