Where to be for 16U Nationals ASA/USA or PGF?

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PGF Team List as of 6/26/11
http://premiergirlsfastpitch.com/tourney01/16U.php
Arizona Hotshots 16 - GattiPhoenix, Arizona
California DesperadosTrabuco Canyon, CA
Corona Angels-16uOrange, CA
Firecrackers-LahnersLaguna Hills, CA
HurricanesCarlsbad, Ca
Northern Colorado XplosionWindsor, Co
O.C. BatbustersTustin, Ca
S0 Cal PumasOak Park, CA
San Jose Sting - PeralesSan Jose, CA
So Cal Hurricanes La RivaTustin, CA
Texas Glory - NaudinWaxahachie, TX
The Next Level 16uTemecula, Ca
Tulsa Elite 16UHOMINY, OK
USA Athletics MercurioLong Beach, CA
USA Athletics MoraCypress, CA
Victory USA (Hay)Oak Park, CA
Artesia Punishers-ChavezLa Palma, CA
AZHotshots-BakerChandler, AZ
California RebelsBellflower, CA
Case Batbusters 16UTorrance, CA
Colorado CrushParker, CO
Colorado StarsHighlands Ranch, CO
CrossfireJupiter, Fl
Fury Softball-SantosTemecula, California
Impact Gold DanHouston, Texas
Louisiana VoodooRiver Ridge, LA
Mizuno Impulse 16UThe Colony, TX
So Cal Athletics 16ULos Alamitos, CA
So Cal ChoppersWestminster, CA
So Cal PumasNewbury Park, ca
TeamsmithRiverside, CA
Texas Bombers BlackAdkins, TX
Texas Glory AdkinsFlower Mound, TX
USA Athletics- MoraEl Segundo, CA
Wichita MustangsWichita , KS

ASA/USA Team List as of 6/26/11
http://www.chattanoogaasa.com/16uasanationals/teams.html
Birmingham Thunderbolts - Irondale, AL
Huntsville Sparks - Huntsville, AL
Arkansas Extreme - Greenbrier, AR
AZ Storm Smith - Phoenix, AZ
AZ Thundercats - Tuscon, AZ
All American Sports - Tracy, CA
California Breeze - Sacramento, CA
CA Cruisers 16U - Trabuco Canyon, CA
Central Coast Express - Orcutt, CA
CC Krush - Fresno, CA
Fresno Force - Hanford, CA
Huntington Beach Breeze - Huntington, CA
Minor's Gold Alvarez - Corona, CA
Mizuno Pride - Torrance, CA
Nor Cal Legends - San Jose, CA
San Diego Renegades 16U Labs - San Diego, CA
San Jose Sting - San Jose, CA
Steal Breeze Elite - Petaluma, CA
USA Elite - Cherry - Elk Grove, CA
Buckaroos - Fort Collins, CO
Colorado Crush - Parker, CO
Gold Coast Hurricanes-Nicastro - Ft. Laude rdale, FL
High Intensity - Niceville, FL
Oviedo Blaze - Clermont, FL
Quicksilver - Sarasota, FL
Stealers Gold - Palm Bay, FL
Atlanta Vipers - Giles - Atlanta, GA
Atlanta Vipers - Prance - Atlanta, GA
Duluth Wildcats - Sugar Hill GA
East Cobb Bullets-Reed - Canton, GA
East Cobb Bullets-Schnute - Marietta, GA
GA Impact-Strother - Suwanee, GA
Georgia Stealth - Cumming, GA
[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]S Georgia Lady Sharks - Rincon, GA
Extreme Elite Black - Colinsville, IL
Illinois Southern Force - Carbondale, IL
Southern Force - Archibald - Aurora, IL
Maryland Magic Elite - Baltimore, MD
Maryland Stars - Columbia, MD
MN Sting - Excelsior, MN
MN Sting '95 - Shakopee, MN
Midland Magic Red - Moscow Mills, MO
16A Originals - Herrrington - Liberty, MO
Frozen Ropes Fastpitch - Omaha, NE
Jersey Intensity - Green Brook, NJ
West Windsor Wildcats - Robbinsville, NJ
New Era Diamond Girls - Clarence Center, NY
Doom 95-Cincinnati, OH[/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Saphires, ? OH[/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]MV Express, Dayton, OH[/FONT]
Classics Black, ? OH
Lasers Scarlet, ? OH
[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Heart of Ohio Explosion - Raymond, OH
Tidalwaves '94 - Grafton, OH
Oklahoma Force '94 - Edmond, OK
Oklahoma Starz - Jenks, OK
Chaos Elite - Boothwyn, PA
Hatboro-Horsham ASA Inc Banshee's - Horsham, PA
Warrington Blue Thunder - Jamison, PA
TN Fury '95 - Chattanooga, TN
Germantown Red Devils - Arlington, TN
Impact Fastpitch - Henderson, TN
ALS Kruzers Gold - Arlington, TX
D-Bat Mustangs - Chambers - Itasca, TX
TX Blaze White-
TX Bombers White - Schertz, TX
Texas Elite Bancroft - Frisco, TX
Tx Glory - Poole - Trenton, TX
TX LITE - Houston, TX
TX Storm Elite 16U - League City, TX
TX Sudden Impact - Spring, TX
[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Slammers - South Perry, UT
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The qualifier in Florida for PGF was very poorly communicated. It was almost like it was a secret.

Both events will be tough - but it will be interesting to see where the college coaches go.

 

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ASA/USA List as of 6/27/11
University of AL Birmingham
University of Arizona
University of Connecticut
University of Detroit Mercy
University of Iowa
University of Kentucky
University of Massachusetts
University of South Carolina Upstate
University of Tennessee
[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]University of Tennessee at Chattanooga[/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Belhaven University
Colorado State University
Furman University
Iowa State University
Mississippi Valley State University
Morehead State University
Northern Illinois University
Ohio University
Southern Illinois University
[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]St. Mary's of California[/FONT]


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[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]PGF List per the website (was told this is not accurrate, been posted sinceDec/Jan)[/FONT]
Arizona Western College
Auburn University
Ball State University
Binghamton University
Boise State
BYU
Cal Poly
Cal State Bakersfield
Cal State Univ. San Marcos
Cal State University Monterey Bay
Cal-Berkeley
California Baptist University
Chapman University
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps Colleges
College Of Southern Nevada
Columbia University
Concordia University
Florida
Fordham University
Fresno State
George Mason University
Harvard University
Houston Baptist University
Idaho State University
Idaho State University
Illinois State University
James Madison University
Kentucky Wesleyan College
Lehigh University
Lenoir-Rhyne University
LONG BEACH STATE UNIVERSITY
Long Island University
Longwood University
Loyola Chicago
Loyola Marymount University
LSU
Menlo College
Michigan State University
Middle Tennessee State University
Mississippi State University
Mississippi Valley State University
NC State
New Mexico
New Mexico State university
Northern Illinois University
Northwood University
Ohio University
Oklahoma State
Oklahoma State University
OnDeck Softball
Penn
Purdue University
Sacramento State
San Jose State University
Sonoma State University
South Carolina
Stanford University
Texas A&M University
Texas Southern Univ.
Texas
UC Davis
UC Santa Barbara
UCLA
UNC Charlotte
UNC Greensboro
University at Buffalo
University of California, Riverside
University of Central Arkansas
University of Georgia
University of Hawaii
University of Houston
University of Iowa
University of Kansas
University of Kentucky
University of Louisville

 

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Remainder of PGF List
University of Maryland
University of Massachusetts
University of Memphis
University of Michigan
University of Mississippi
University of Missouri
University of Nebraska
University of Nevada
University of New Mexico
University of North Texas
University of Notre Dame
University of Oklahoma
University of Oregon
University of Pittsburgh
University of San Diego
University of Tennessee
University of the Pacific
University Of Utah
University of Washington
UNLV
Utah State University
Utah Valley University
Vanguard University
Virginia Tech
Whittier College
Wichita State University
Wisconsin
Wright State
Yale University

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Was States the last opportunity for a 16u to get in nationals?

 

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No, one more change in Strongsville this coming weekend and then a Cincinnati Metro berth is still avaialable.

 

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does anyone know when the cincinnati metro is?

 

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does anyone know when the cincinnati metro is?

I think it is July 5-6.

 

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So, I feel real stupid now ... what is PGF? A new sanctioning organization? In Ohio yet?

 

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premier --rival association of ASA , 2nd year or so in operation. IMO -- remember IMO ONLY --they formed because ASA was holding USA nationals in locations the west coasters don't agree with and they had some other complaints , maybe valid , I'm not certain. A growing portion of people thought ASA would not listen to complaints . Therefore a new association pops up and holds their nationals in Ca where the CA teams don't have to travel. ---I know I'm going to get challenged on this (Socal dad may have a field day) but at this point Premier looks like West coast regional with all the big hitters plus a few good teams from the east/midwest.
Somehow they convinced Ca's best to skip ASA nationals and play Premier (promise of less travel ?) and Premier is using that advantage , fairly I might add, to promote its self over ASA.

Premier is also fighting for a tv contract I believe. MD

 

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So, I feel real stupid now ... what is PGF? A new sanctioning organization? In Ohio yet?

Don't feel dumb, the first I had heard of it was last week in the discussions about Lasers Black 14u playig at 16u ASA States. Looks like a premier tournament being organized by marketers and high end amateur softball people with the goal of maximum elite exposure .... with some commericalism and money making ... (of course).

The 16u list looks impressive, so it looks like it may have some traction, potentially. Since the tournament is co-aligned with USA/ASA it looks like this is going to be an either/or going forward, and another possible shift from the mainstream with the formation of a new "elite" level? .........

1.a. ... Gold
1.b. ... PGF
3. ...... USA/ASA
4. ...... NSA/Pony/USSSA/ASA Regionals

Is this what's going on, now?

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Update - April 22, 2011 - Topic: Comcast/Fox Sports Television Contracts
The PGF is excited to announce that a TV contract has been signed with Comcast SportsNet and Fox Sports, in which the PGF H.S. Division Championship Game will be televised on national T.V. The PGF is continuing to work on other forms of media, for all age divisions, to expand the reach of the entire PGF Championships, to fans across the country.
Update - April 22, 2011 - Topic: New and Important PGF Revisions
PGF Directors Dan Hay and Gary Haning have announced a long term agreement which includes adding Bill Conroy as an Owner/Director of the Premier Girls Fastpitch and Surf City Tourneys. Gary Haning, OC Batbusters, will continue to provide viable leadership and be the face of the PGF. Dan Hay, Victory USA, will continue to be responsible for overseeing all tournament and corporate operations, which includes securing all venues. Bill Conroy, Beverly Bandits, is responsible for sales and marketing, which includes TV contracts, Media and Sponsor agreements.
Announcements in regards to future expansion of the PGF Board of Directors, which currently include Gary Haning, Dan Hay, Bill Conroy and Bruce Richardson - So Cal Athletics, will be for forth coming. We will also have future announcements of the Committee Membership staff and further media expansion plans.
Update- March 31, 2011 - Topic: Tournament Itinerary
Practice games will be available Saturday 7/30 and Sunday 7/31
The Draw and Coaches Breakfast will be Sunday Morning time TBA
There will be at least one round of Pool games Monday Morning 8/1 followed by the Opening Ceremonies in the afternoon, bracket games will begin Wednesday 8/3
The Championship Games will be Saturday 8/6 at Col Bill Barber Stadium in Irvine.
18HS Games will be held in Huntington Beach and Fountain Valley
16U Games will held at Col Bill Barber Stadium and Harvard Park in Irvine</FONT />
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Update - December 27, 2010 - Topic: ESPN Rise
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NOTE: You must have your PGF player and coaches Photo ID cards in your possession at check-in. We will not accept a piece of paper showing that you have paid for the cards. Even if you attended a qualifier using other insurance, you must have PGF insurance for all championship events.
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premier --rival association of ASA , 2nd year or so in operation. IMO -- remember IMO ONLY --they formed because ASA was holding USA nationals in locations the west coasters don't agree with and they had some other complaints , maybe valid , I'm not certain. A growing portion of people thought ASA would not listen to complaints . Therefore a new association pops up and holds their nationals in Ca where the CA teams don't have to travel. ---I know I'm going to get challenged on this (Socal dad may have a field day) but at this point Premier looks like West coast regional with all the big hitters plus a few good teams from the east/midwest.
Somehow they convinced Ca's best to skip ASA nationals and play Premier (promise of less travel ?) and Premier is using that advantage , fairly I might add, to promote its self over ASA.

Premier is also fighting for a tv contract I believe. MD

Yeah Dan ... good assessment, from what I can tell also. Kinda like the B10 network forming around the cities, populations, and schools in the Midwest, taking advantage of the power of the members, and populations, for max benefit. Given the power of CA softball, the regionality and travel considerations, plus the media and commercial opportunities, I think you nailed it pretty well. Will be interesting to see how it all plays out over time.

Interested in SoCal's and some Laser Black "take" on the situation as well.

Hope the Lakewood Ladies come to USA/ASA though ... we have some unfinished business with them ... from 2007 (oh yeah, that's right!) ... ;&

 

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Thanks for info pickle and manitou ... just looked at their website as well. Surprised there hasn't been more discussion on here to date ... based on both the advertised list of teams and recruiters, it looks like a major change in the landscape has occurred very quickly.

 

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Thanks for info pickle and manitou ... just looked at their website as well. Surprised there hasn't been more discussion on here to date ... based on both the advertised list of teams and recruiters, it looks like a major change in the landscape has occurred very quickly.

My thoughts exactly ... only money can change things that quickly.

TV contract?? ... powerful tool for marketing, exposure, commercialism and profiteering .... something that well organized could move quickly. Sounds like some smart softball/business people are behind it and if you have the heavyweights from CA on board then you have the anchor for interest ... have heard Bill Conroy's name many times also. But this past week is the first I have really heard about it .... so, like you, just now getting up to speed.

 

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Tough call for 16U, we felt it was an easy choice for 14U. With the ASA and PGF being played the same week we talked to many coaches and figured we only get exposure by playing 14U PGF or 16U ASA that week. Many coaches are planning on splitting the staff and attending both Chattanooga and California. The good thing about PGF is all ages(14,16,18) are within about a 10 mile radius. I did not talk to one coach that was planning to go to Midland,Tx for 14U.

 

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can't play up at nationals --correct ?

 

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I'd say it goes like this at this point...

1. PGF (Premier) at both 16-U and 18-U.
2. ASA 16-U Nationals still important, but a far second to Premier.
3. Gold still important, but also not even close to the prestige of Premier.
4. ASA 18-U "A" Nationals likely not drawing college coaches outside of a couple of hours of the location of the tournament and a total afterthought for all good teams in the western half of the country. I don't know of a single organization that I would consider a college exposure type of organization from Northern California through Oregon and Washington that considered trying to qualify for the 18-U "A" Nationals.

I wouldn't be surprised to see PGF add more teams in the next couple of years. Hard to turn down the money and there are a lot of top teams from the East, Midwest and South that are good enough to be there. If the trend continues, any ASA National will be lucky to see any college coaches from the major conferences. If ASA ever cared about hosting a true national championship, it was too old and too obstinate to move out of its rocking chair when Gary Haning and Dan Hay came along with PGF and is now getting its rear end kicked.

 

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Wow ... I guess I have been living in a cave. I get most of my fastpitch news here on OFC, and I'm just stunned right now that I am hearing this all for the first time ...

 

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just for fun :
Player Profile : 450 BA in HS at d-2, hit 350 in showcase level travel ball. above average speed OFer , lefty , can slap some. Has above average grades. Talented kid , could possibly play MAC , Horizen or fine D-2 or D-3 prospect .

Why would this kid want to go to Ca to play in any tourney/showcase IF she has no desire to go to college west of the Missisip ? Can't that kid be seen enough at Gapps,Ray, States , QOD etc etc to be sucessufully recruited w/o going to the great Cali invitational ?
I'm NOT talking the 1-4 % that make it to an SEC , or Pac 10 school. I'm talking the other 96 % percent here . Good college prospect but not Top Twenty material . Does it make sense to go to Ca to play ? (other than the obvious great competition) $1500 entry just to play in this event. MD