Who's the largest Org?

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Currently who would you think is the largest softball organization in Ohio?:

 

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My money goes on the big black bird people.

 

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My money goes on the big black bird people.

Is it the Ravens? Or the crows?

 

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Probably the ravens. Crows will place a close second.

 

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I'd say it's the OFC website...:cap:

Does the overall size depend upon dominance from top to bottom or shear numbers...

 

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Originally Posted by Lester
I'd say it's the OFC website...:cap:

Good call........

 

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Most definately the Hawks. I think they have like 10 teams in each age group. You could play a whole tournament full of Hawks teams and never play the same team twice.

 

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I think the Wizards in NWO have 18-19 teams

 

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Was originally looking at overall size of an organization. It used to be two teams at each age group with maybe an age group with three teams. Using the two thinking that would be about ten teams maybe twelve with an organization. Hearing 6 or 7 teams in an age group and you hear about teams looking for players how in the heck do you find this many kids in an age group? Are there just more kids playing now or are teams watered down more now than previous years.

 

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Better question is which organization puts the best talent on the field.

 

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Better question is which organization puts the best talent on the field.

You had to be the one!!!!!!!!!!!!LOL

 

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Agreed.

Some communities put all of their softball players into "travel". (Which is really Rec. - with a few above-average teams)

P.S. Hawks are brown

 

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Just as I suspected. It is a contest.

Org. Pres. that dies with the most teams wins ! :lmao:

 

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I think there are different types of organizations, those that recruit and those that develop. In the Fast Wizard organization we develop players and coaches. Off the top of my head I think we have 20 teams and have approximately 10 coaches in our org that coach HS ball either in the capacity of Head Varsity coaches assistant varsity coaches and Head JV coaches. All of our coaches are required to take courses with Leon Woods (hitting instructor) and we have hosted Howard Kobata a few times and he will be back again this spring. Our org also hosts the Best in the Mid-west clinic and this past Fall we had 16 coaches attend an NFCC clinic @ U of M and Ohio Dominican earning a one star master coach level. We also have a college head coach involved with our organization. Not bragging but pointing out that some organizations with a lot of teams are not just forming teams for the sake of having a lot of teams but are truly trying to raise the level of play and interest of softball in our community.

 

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Better question is which organization puts the best talent on the field.

I agree, Quality instead of Quantity.

 

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Most definately the Hawks. I think they have like 10 teams in each age group. You could play a whole tournament full of Hawks teams and never play the same team twice.

Wow! I thought the Madness was big!

 

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Wow! I thought the Madness was big!

According to ohiohawks.com......

10U teams - 2
12U teams - 5
14U teams - 8
16U teams - 3
18U teams - 2
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Total teams - 20

 

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I think there are different types of organizations, those that recruit and those that develop. In the Fast Wizard organization we develop players and coaches. Off the top of my head I think we have 20 teams and have approximately 10 coaches in our org that coach HS ball either in the capacity of Head Varsity coaches assistant varsity coaches and Head JV coaches. All of our coaches are required to take courses with Leon Woods (hitting instructor) and we have hosted Howard Kobata a few times and he will be back again this spring. Our org also hosts the Best in the Mid-west clinic and this past Fall we had 16 coaches attend an NFCC clinic @ U of M and Ohio Dominican earning a one star master coach level. We also have a college head coach involved with our organization. Not bragging but pointing out that some organizations with a lot of teams are not just forming teams for the sake of having a lot of teams but are truly trying to raise the level of play and interest of softball in our community.

I like what Martin and Wizards are doing ... we are on the same path - training, instruction, etc.

We sent the majority of our teams to college camps all last fall, and many are still attending camps this winter as a team at OU, Miami, Ohio U, UK, Akron, Toledo, etc, etc. We have started bring in x-college players to work with out our girls at our HIT Center on a regular basis as well. All of our teams train at least 2 hours weekly indoors all winter and have gone non-stop since September.

We used to hold indoor friendlies at SWOBAT but decided this year to rent SWOBAT 6 weekends in Feb and Mar and get every Hawks team in for a 4 hour workout/training session. We look to have as many teams as we can field with the coaches, parents and players that want to play and train year round. That is critical to their development as a player, esp at the younger ages and will translate to their success on the field.

Honestly, size of org has little to do with quality of softball being taught and played... it has to do with the org's focus on proper training and instruction that really matters for most parents.

 

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I'd say it's the OFC website...:cap:

Does the overall size depend upon dominance from top to bottom or shear numbers...

Les I remember a few years ago we were at River Shores and I said look at those Hawks flying and gliding on the winds.

You asked me if I hunted much and I said no!

You said you have been hanging around Doug and Boulders dad too long as those are turkey buzzards and just look like Hawks too most people! :lmao:

 

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many teams are falling within the realm of getting better. Hard to not argue that the Lasers from top to bottom are probably still the strongest from my point of view and I'm just one person and one opinion. Look at polling... they rank in every age group along with a couple other perennial org's. How do they do it (rhetorical) beyond just recruiting and pulling from a massive area. I wouldn't guess any of those guys would even rank themselves on here. Not a dig, just the impression that "I" get about them and how they roll! They'd probably rather play on the field than this website. Now, quality wise, we are still striving to fit into the elite org's. Growing with intentions of 1 team per birth year and thats it with only a couple exceptions. If we can't compete within an aggressive schedule with various sanctioning groups, ok... fine. Our "growth or size" is still measured on how much did the DD's improve from day 1 to the end of the season. To each his/her own. We attend the camps, see the instructors, and grow our knowledge base. Not every team we have is lights out, in fact, we honestly never say that internally but we sure strive for that and that's our intentions in putting the teachings and development on the field. Comes down to it, many org's regardless of size shoot for this.

Size does help when you look cost out-lie and the fact org's can bring in help. Not a bad model to follow. They for sure do the right things to make those high dollar instructors get to their facilities. Cool to see it happen IMO. Carrying the teachings through... we all have the same problem. That starts with the players, families, and coaches...some teams can, some can't.

I wish we had a dedicated facility, but, too much for a few of us board members to manage in our "spare" time and too much financial risk. My hat is off to the folks that do what Hawks and Wizards take on. Many times I wonder how y'all have the time. LOL. With size comes bureaucracy... and who wants that!?